Talk:Jangle pop

Hey... read the jangle pop article. Small. Very small. Which is fine... except REM wasn't the first jangle pop band, nor was it an American genre. For example, The Church, an Australian band, started out as a jangle pop band. Their first album, Of Skins and Heart, was released a year before REM's first EP (and their first single was released a year and a half before REM's first EP). Many other examples, but that's enough to prove the article invalid. Tis all... thanks.

Agreed, this barely scratches the surface of jangly pop bands...

Shouldn't The Smiths be wiht R.E.M. and the other bands on this? They are rather jangly (ex. THis Charming Man)69.249.46.86 00:08, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

This article says that jangle pop was primarily a southern and midwestern phenomenon and I question this. For starters, I have listed two bands from Boston, Mass. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Sderoski (talk • contribs).

The Feelies were from New Jersey. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 71.197.126.242 (talk • contribs).

I certainly think that The Sundays deserve a mention.

Pretenders

Should the Pretenders be on this page? When reading the article they definitely came to mind.

Sources??

Without sources I'd say this article should be deleted. It's been tagged since March. Anyone feel like improving it? --John 19:30, 11 June 2007 (UTC)

I vote delete. I consider myself fairly knowledgeable musically, esp. about some of the bands listed here, and I've never in my 45 years heard the term "Jangle pop" used to describe any of them. I don't believe there's any such recognized or recognizable genre. This is an invented sub-sub-sub-genre. It's completely meaningless. Someone cite a single, credible source using this term, please, or else this article has to go. (BTW, Pylon never jangled.)Cloonmore 00:56, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5483799 using the term "jangly pop," which is what I call it, not "jangle pop." National Public Radio is a serious source. I think the article needs a lot of improvement (the dominance of the Gin Blossoms in this style in the 1990's is not even mentioned), but I vote not to delete. It provides the basis for future improvement. -Larry Siegel —Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.84.252.238 (talk) 05:43, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

http://www.google.com/search?q=jangle+pop it's a category on Amazon. The term "Jangle" has been used for at least 20 years. I believe I first heard it referring to the Bangles. It's a well-established term. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Petchboo (talk • contribs) 13:15, 9 April 2008 (UTC)

The Jam

Is The Jam considered a jangle pop band? They are definitely a power pop band, but I always thought they were considered mod revival. 99.172.71.185 (talk) 20:58, 9 July 2008 (UTC)

The Jam aren't remotely jangle pop. At least there are no sources that have ever, to my knowledge, thrown them into this category. Best, A Sniper (talk) 17:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

The Smiths

Shoving The Smiths into a list of (mostly) US 'college rock' bands is lazy & spurious. Sure they jangle, and a few sources have maybe classified their music as pop (because it has sold in the millions), but they have proven far more important and influential than any other act on this article's page, with the exception of the Byrds and REM. If I had more time I'd do a paragraph on The Smiths - certainly, having influenced the entire Britpop movement a decade later, they need honorable mention. Best, A Sniper (talk) 17:03, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Personally I would include The Smiths--but that's based on my personal experience, I knew them basically as a college/art/cult band (and I am not, personally, a fan). However, what I personally think isn't the question: Shouldn't the point here be what recognized critics and reviewers say about the topic, not our own personal opinions? There is no doubt that "jangle pop" existed and exists as a significant genre. The genre is intelligently discussed in the little Allmusic essay that is cited (incorrectly?) in the current text. The Allmusic list of jangle bands (I hope this link works: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=77:2692~T10 ) doesn't include The Smiths. Nor does the word "jangle" appear in the Allmusic essay on The Smiths ( http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=11:kifyxqr5ld0e~T00 ) although there's mention of their connections to R.E.M. and other relevant bands, and they ARE categorized as a "college" band. This is not, of course, the end of the matter, if some other recognized authorities do make the connection--but I don't quickly find such a cite. So despite my own personal opinion, I'd have to agree to omit them from the "jangle" article unless and until citable contrary opinion shows up. More to the point, this article is rather light on sources and since the genre is a lovely one, it would be nice if we could all come up with some more.--Arxiloxos (talk) 17:47, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for this: although The Smiths surely jangle, and despite remaining popular long after their 1987 demise (if this denotes pop), I don't think that the band belong in this category. If this is disputed by anyone, then at the very least The Smiths should warrant their own mention outside a mound of US college acts. At least in the UK, The Smiths were actually an 80s phenomenon whose influence continues to this day, according to sources. Best, A Sniper (talk) 18:18, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Folk rock

Folk rock should quite obviously be included in Stylistic origins. As the folk rock work of The Beatles and The Byrds is fundamental to the genre, as stated in the opening of the article itself. Jakeb (talk) 21:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

I concur. Here are a couple of critical sources from a quick Google search that support the linkage.[1][2] --Arxiloxos (talk) 22:00, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Pile of nonsense

I was a British NME teenager in the 80's but before today I have never heard the term "Jangle Pop". I therefore don't know where to start with this article as it seems to be made up of opinions that have popped out of someone's head. Not a lot makes sense and I can't see how "Indie" can be a derivative of "Jangle" when bands were known as Indie from the late 70's on and the term covers a multitude of styles from Joseph K to Primal Scream.

I would therefore suggest that if someone with citations has the time,that this article should be taken outside and given humane death and you start again. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.105.203.25 (talk) 08:50, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

jangle pop, a genre of alternative rock?

how is it that jangle pop is a genre of alternative rock? it should be a genre of either rock or pop music. For ex: the beatles song, 'words of love' is labelled as jangle pop. Does that mean the beatles are alternative? No, they are rock. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.161.53.109 (talk) 12:50, 29 December 2010 (UTC)

A misunderstanding here. The Beatles were not jangle pop, which was a genre that attempted to recreated their (and other bands of the 60s) sounds in the 80s. They are just a source. In the same way British musicians trying to recreate the sound of Muddy Waters in the 60s didn't make him Blues rock. I think the article is actually pretty clear about this.--SabreBD (talk) 21:42, 29 December 2010 (UTC)