Talk:Joulupukki

Origin of Korvatunturi

Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Markus-setä on in 1920s already? It sounds unbelieveable the tradition of where Joulupukki lives would be as young as 40 years.

Why Goat?

The article says

means literally "Christmas Goat" because of an old Finnish tradition

So ... what is the tradition that gives us "goat"?

WpZurp 14:51, 16 Sep 2004 (UTC)

It's not so much of a tradition, but the fact that Santa Claus is in fact Yule Goat in disguise. It's a conspiracy involving The Coca-Cola Company. ;-) The again, surely there were traditions involving Yule Goat, but I don't know much about those and I think they have changed quite a lot. --Lakefall 23:02, 14 Oct 2004 (UTC)

The name "Yule Goat" apparently comes from an old Finnish tradition of nuuttipukki, tapaninpukki and the like – (drunken) youngsters dressed as goats (with horns and masks on their face) going from door to door begging for food and slugs of liquor left from Christmas and scaring children. The outlook of Joulupukki as we know him today indeed involved the Coca-Cola Company. Before a specific Christmas advertisement of theirs, Joulupukki used to wear green and blue. ([1] and Finnish Wikipedia) –Jonnabuz (talk) 07:36, 24 May 2005 (UTC)

See Snopes.com for claims againts the Coca-Cola theory. Jonnabuz (talk) 30 June 2005 10:05 (UTC)

There existed similar traditions in Sweden, I think... 惑乱 分からん 12:12, 18 August 2006 (UTC)

Note that the Finnish word "pukki" translates more precisely to "buck", as it specifically means (intact) male goat. --Anshelm '77 21:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The reverted merge

In the article history 213.202.147.90 wrote: "Reverted merge because it wasnt a genuine merge. The content wasnt added to the main Santa article."

I merged it, but it got moved to Christmas around the world. --Lakefall 23:54, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC) It comes from the old finnish pagan religon.

Sober?

Why wouldn't the rent a Santa be sober? Any thing to back this up? hdstubbs

If you've lived in Finland, you'd know Thedukeofno 14:49, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

He's often given something to drink while he's on a visit (a lot of visits in one evening - well you know). Plus some men do it just for the easy money and aren't that reliable. Splendor Blender —Preceding comment was added at 16:47, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

The Grinch?

Are the stories of the dark Joulupukki the origin of the story of the Grinch? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.213.57.50 (talk) 15:16, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

American Version

Why just the American version of Santa Claus? I think we should change the links to America over to something else like; the Western Equivalent.

122.148.142.131 (talk) 10:46, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Origins

The whole "The origins of Joulupukki" section, or at least its current contents, should be removed. The connection between Joulupukki, shamans and mushrooms is unsourced, dubious to say the least, and contradicts the rest of the article by talking about flying reindeer and climbing chimneys, even though it is explicitly stated that Joulupukki does NOT share these features with the Anglo-American Santa Claus. I think this whole section is either original research or a pure hoax. 80.222.33.165 (talk) 20:07, 5 January 2011 (UTC)

Also, there is no sitation needed for the term "nuuttipukki". It did exist. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.181.169.16 (talk) 14:17, 23 March 2011 (UTC)