Talk:Kaliningrad

Present-Day Kalingrad

I am in the process of conducting some research about the region. Specifically, the role it plays in both conflict and cooperation between Russia and the West. I will be updating this page within one month. If there is anything you would like to see added to this page, chances are I will be coming across the data. QatBurglar (talk) 22:55, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Any chance of a better map? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.168.116.56 (talk) 06:58, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Königsberg Pre War Population

The figure 316.000 in main article is wrong. The offical German statistic shows:

Stadtkreis Königsberg 193 km2 Einwohner 1.1.1940 372.270. I correct this in the main article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.112.188.135 (talk) 10:32, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Languages

Can anyone add information about the percentage of speakers of each language in Kaliningrad if possible, or some idea as to how prevelant Russian, German, etc. are in the region? Paxuniv (talk) 18:38, 14 November 2008 (UTC)

Kienigsberg

The direct German name Königsberg in Cyrillic Kjenigsbjerg was used also much earlier than 1945 - 1946. At least during the days of Imperial Russia and in Soviet Union up to 1946.

Layout

Could someone sort out the mess on the left hand side adjacent to the temperature table? It is beyond my skill level! I have since noticed that the mess in is Firefox and Safari but not in IE or Chrome, and that quite a lot of information is missing in Firefox, obviously a formatting issue.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.221.95 (talk) 09:37, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Startling Omission

The article mentions a 2002 Census determined 78% Russian ethnicity and 0.6% German; an intriguing result albiet the article mentioned the USSR Russified the population. Here you have a nation founded and existing for nearly 700 years as part of the Germanic state and in a mere 57 years nearly all Germans there cease to exist. What happened? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Micael (talk • contribs) 03:07, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

It is in the article: "The remaining German population was expelled from 1945–48." Please read Expulsion of Germans after World War II. Fentener van Vlissingen (talk) 04:01, 24 April 2009 (UTC)

It's called Ethnic cleansing. Erikeltic (talk) 11:57, 5 May 2009 (UTC)

I agree with Michael. This section itself feels "cleansed," lacking important information. By stating that the population was "expelled," the impression is given that they were perhaps simply asked to move or transported. Following the war, in the winter of 1945, the Red army decimated whole German civilian populations. How can there be no history of the nature of the violence exacted or threatened against the German civilians in this area? The article feels unbalanced by avoiding the topic, probably because it is an uncomfortable subject for those who wish to see the war as "black-and-white" - Germans as evil Nazis, Allies as good. Of course, that type of partisanship has no place in the article page of an encyclopedia. But even if it did, what this position misses is that Russia, along with Germany, began the war by mutually invading Poland. So, their hands were not clean as non-aggressors to begin with. Also, the expulsion of civilian populations (with or without killing) was one of the bases of war crime charges resulting in Nuremberg sentences at the time. But not so for Red Army commanders? These are historically important facts, and the article should simply state them if they are available. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.86.88.60 (talk) 03:09, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Agree with you, but this article is not the place for it. This article is about the new city built on the ruins. That detail belongs either in the konigsberg article or (more probably) in a special article. Roger Pearse (talk) 16:35, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Traveling to/from the rest of Russia by land

Related to traveling from the rest of Russia to Kaliningrad by land through the EU, the article says that Special travel arrangements for the territory's inhabitants have been made. Can anybody expand that, here or in other article? --Anna Lincoln (talk) 08:47, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

I found them here to be the Facilitated Transit Document (FTD) and Facilitated Rail Transit Document (FRTD), the documents needed for the transit. --Anna Lincoln (talk) 09:03, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

The legislation implementing the documents is here. --Anna Lincoln (talk) 09:08, 25 May 2009 (UTC)

Kaliningrad.ru City portal

Hi, friends. Kaliningrad.ru was a popular news portal in Kaliningrad since 2003, and one of the most visited independent regional news portals in Russia for about 5 last years.

On 09-10-2009, the domain was misappropriated by a pro-government RF organization. New location of the Kaliningrad.ru news portal is now www.NewKaliningrad.ru/ - The details of the issue are available in Russian here: http://knia.ru/digest/751.html - it is another independent city news site, and here is the translated by Google into English version of that article: http://translate.google.ru/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://knia.ru/digest/751.html

Currently, the original owners of the "Kaliningrad.ru" trademark are thinking over further steps to obtain justice.

At the moment, all web site contents, with numerous subject forums, are available under http://www.NewKaliningrad.ru —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kaliningradka (talk • contribs) 01:20, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Hi there! Not to appear insensitive or something, but, all in all, we don't care. You are, of course, welcome to update the links so they lead to proper sites, but the politics around this situation is of no relevance to Wikipedia.—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); 16:42, October 13, 2009 (UTC)

"Rumors" present in the article

The "Military" subsection includes this sentence: "Since 1991 there have been rumors that the Russians have transferred numerous tactical nuclear warheads to the exclave."

Even though there is a reference, it is still admittedly a reference to rumors and I believe the whole sentence should be deleted. 97.125.48.202 (talk) 06:37, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

On Eulers solution of the "Seven Bridges of Königsberg" problem

The sentences "The city is famous in the history of mathematics in connection with the famous Seven Bridges of Königsberg problem. The solution of this problem by Leonard Euler was the beginning of the branch of mathematics known as graph theory, and the first example of methods which were to form the mathematical discipline of Topology." are in contradiction with the article "Seven Bridges of Königsberg" which contains the sentence "Euler proved that the problem has no solution.". Tis is confusing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.89.11.183 (talk) 08:46, 1 December 2009 (UTC)

Calininopolis (or Kalininopolis)

This Greek name seems a bit odd. I respelled it with a K... Anyway, there's no corresponding name on Greek Wikipedia. It's spelled "Καλίνινγκραντ" (Kaliningkrant) and Καίνιξμπεργκ (Kalinixmpergk) or Καινιξβέργη (Kainixberge) for Konigsberg. Is this correct or relevant?

Cheers, Cashie (talk) 03:56, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Neutrality dispute August 2010?

The History section of the article is marked with a neutrality dispute from 8/2010, but I don't see any comment on the discussion page dated from then that flags specific areas for neutrality.

IMHO the current section is factual, if a little bit terse when describing the transition from Russian to German population (per 'Startling Omissions' above). Does anyone want to take a stab at trying to fill that in a bit more without recapitulating the full history of ethnic cleansing during and after WW2, or is there a consensus for leaving it and clearing the neutrality tag? Willhsmit (talk) 19:19, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Seems reasonable to me. I think the tag should be cleared. That said ... the section could probably be abbreviated. All that it really needs to say is "Kaliningrad was formerly Konigsberg, and was populated by Russians after the German population was expelled." The rest belongs to the Konigsberg article, IMHO. Roger Pearse (talk) 16:34, 7 January 2011 (UTC)

Russian name (pre-Soviet)

What was the original name of the city in Russian, before the Soviet take-over? best. 188.221.129.72 (talk) 20:57, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Right above, German: Königsberg. Also sometimes Anglicized as Koensigsburg. PЄTЄRS J V ►TALK 11:41, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

Odd inconsistency

I find it quite odd that this article makes such a radical break between the pre-war German period and the post-war Soviet/Russian one. This is very different from the approach taken in the articles about the cities that became part of Poland, such as Stettin or Breslau. Those cities, much like Koenigberg, were also incredibly destroyed and completely ethnically cleansed. Globo (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 06:01, 28 July 2011 (UTC).