Talk:Kasaragod

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Cleanup

This article recieved a large content-dump from the Kasargod District web site [1]. Not sure of its copyright status, but if it remains here it needs major cleanup Tom Radulovich 20:28, 7 January 2006 (UTC)

The official name is Kasaragod

According the official Kerala government site ( http://www.kerala.gov.in/ and http://www.ksd.kerala.gov.in/home.htm ) the name of the district/town is Kasaragod. So the article should be placed under "Kasaragod" and page "Kasargod" should redirect to Kasaragod and not the other way round. Sangfroid 15:54, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

• This page (and Kasargod District) have been listed at Wikipedia:Requested moves#January 11, 2006, so an experienced admin can untangle the existing redirects and histories. — Catherine\^talk 18:51, 11 January 2006 (UTC)

Moved. —Nightstallion (?) 08:59, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

dispute?

According to the article on Kayyara Kinyanna Rai, there's at least a small movement agitating to separate the district from Kerala and join it with Karnataka. It might be worth mentioning that here. --Delirium 18:15, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

Kasaragod page is not for political discussion.

ARUNKUMAR P.R 07:24, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

The principle languages of Kasaragod (as per Orders of Government of Kerala) are Malayalam and Kannada. So mentioning Tulu as a Principle language is wrong. Of course Tulu language is also widely spoken but only after Kannada. The Tulu, Konkani and Byari Bhashe are only the other languages used here. But they are not principle or administrative languages. The Name of Kasaragod should also be written in Kannada along with Malayalam. --Bin (talk) 20:19, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

Some 70+ percent of the district speaks Malayalam; while Tulu is spoken by nearly 22%; Kannada is spoken by SOME of the remaining < 8% of the people; Of all the minority languages in Kasaragod, only Kannada has a state of its own which is the reason one gets to hear more of Kannada than the others like Tulu, Kokani, Beary, Gujarati, Marathi, Hindi etc. If you insist on Kannada script even then I would be glad to 'discuss' issues like demands that the Tuluvas and Kodavas are making for separate states. I am sure you are quite aware of them :) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.99.69.242 (talk) 23:36, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

We are not here to discuss what things should be like but what things are. The principle languages of Kasaragod (as per Orders of Government of Kerala) are Malayalam and Kannada. So mentioning Tulu as a Principle language is certainly wrong. Your argument is in the height of foolishness. Show me some authentic data that the Kasaragod has 20% Principle Tulu speakers. I respect your sentiments but don't bring sentiments to wikipedia. Wiki moves and based on facts. As far as other thing is concerned; You are free to discuss demands of Tuluvas and Kodavas like their demand for separate state which seems to be valid. But for that you can create separate page. --Bin (talk) 10:23, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

If you want to include the Kannada scripts in the lead, the onus is on you to provide the relevant source which states that the Kannada has been declared as a principle language in Kasaragod. Salih (talk) 10:57, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Detailed Answer for the peaceful closure of the dispute:

                        Dear Friend, I am surprised by your question. 

Those who question should have some basic general knowledge as well.

The official principle languages of Kasaragod District are Malayalam and KANNADA. All orders, circulars, forms, notice boards (including the name boards) should be Bilingual and should be and are available in Kannada and Malayalam.

This system is prevalent from the day Kasaragod was born. Of course I am not the person who is sitting with soft copies of all orders but I am a common man with common sense and general knowledge. Still I am providing you a latest link from the election commission of India.

Recently the Election Commission of India has published a handbook for Candidates contesting for General Elections 2009. The link is as follows <http://eci.nic.in/ElectoralLaws/HandBooks/Handbook_for_Candidates.pdf>.

Please refer the page Number 379 of that handbook in which it clearly states that the approved languages for Kasaragod District are Malayalam and Kannada.

I hope this answers your baseless challenge and proves that Malayalam and Kannada are indeed Principle Languages of Kasaragod District.

           Now let us come to the question of Principal Language status of Tulu.

Although I agree that the Tulu is widely spoken in Kasaragod and as per my personal opinion it is indeed a historical language with great heritage. But it is neither a Recognized Language in India nor a Prinicple or a Official Language anywhere in the Country.

Further Tulu is neither taught anywhere in Kasaragod nor is it going to be officially taught anywhere in Kasaragod(in future) at least. However you can find bilingual (Malayalam and Kannada) schools all over the district of Kasaragod all of which are recognized by the Government of Kerala whose official language is Malayalam.

Even the Kasaragod Government College(Affiliated to Kannur University) has Kannada Department where there is even a facility for Higher Research (PhD) in Kannada Language as well. <http://www.gck.ac.in/departments.phtml>

So the question of Principle Language Status of Tulu is an Unsubstantiated BULLSHIT. Now I demand the "accepted proof as per wikipedia standards" from all those who claim that the Tulu is also a Principle/Official Language of Kasaragod.

Now the burden of proof will be upon who may claim that TULU is principle language of Kasaragod. There is also a burden to prove as to how they falsely claim that the "Some 70+ percent of the district speaks Malayalam; while Tulu is spoken by nearly 22%; Kannada is spoken by SOME of the remaining < 8% of the people"

Please note that I am neither against Tulu language nor biased against any other language. I respect Tulu like any other language.

Hence I stand by what I say i.e.. " It's principal and recognized administrative languages are Malayalam, and Kannada. Tulu, Konkani, and Beary bashe are also widely spoken." will be the correct version as far as Truth and the Wikipedia standards are concerned. I again add that "We are not here to discuss what things should be like but we are here to express as what things exactly stand to be". So I hope the problem has been solved and that there remains no question. --Bin (talk) 17:10, 24 March 2009 (UTC)

Bharathiya, I didn't mean to offend you; just wanted to ensure that there is no POV pushing in the article. I have no particular like or dislike towards Kannada, Tulu or any other language. Salih (talk) 05:40, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

BHARATIYA, though a part of my immediate roots lie there, I was not aware of this piece of news. And I apologize for any rudeness I may have conveyed. I have nothing against Kannada or against Kannadiggas. On my part I shall however try to locate the article where it was mentioned that Malayalees and Tuluvas form an overwhelming majority in he district. I was under the impression therefore that that would be the right order in which to write them. Regards, 76.99.69.242 (talk) 20:44, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

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On the recent edit of Galoiserdos: Thanks for adding Marathi. However I am forced to delete the line which says "There are over 40000 Marati speaking people as well reside in this district."

I agree that there are a good number of Marathi speaking people in Kasaragod. But you have not provided any third-party reference to the same. I also feel that quoting unverified "number of speakers" of a particular language is not necessary or not relevant especially in the Kasaragod page of wiki.

So now I have created a separate header for languages which seemed to be necessary to clean the looks of the article. And now the trimmed statement stands as follows "It's principal and recognized administrative languages are Malayalam, and Kannada. Tulu, Beary bashe and Konkani are also widely used. Besides these Marathi, Urdu and Hindi are also spoken here."

It would be nicer to have a brief discussion on these kind of matters well before editing anything especially in things like this. I also invite the views of Salih and other esteemed members associated with Kasaragod page on these matter.--Bin (talk) 18:02, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Its only a corrupted version of Marathi...Should it be stated????Also kannada is only a public relations language...not the official language of Kasaragod...For official purpose, any orders in Kannada is changed to malayalam before further actions...SO Kasaragod has only one official language and its malayalam.... ARUNKUMAR P.R (talk · contribs) 07:27, 10 July 2009 (UTC)

Article Expansion

Its time that Kasaragod page is expanded...Seriously, it lacks a demographics section...and lots of oyher stuff such as administration, political situation etc.....

Also many people blankly believe this page to be Kasaragod district page...So they include some information tha is more specific to Kasaragod district page...So something must be done about it...

Pls help for this initiative....

ARUNKUMAR P.R (talk · contribs) 07:24, 4 October 2009 (UTC)

Tulu in the lead

Kindly reason your edit of removing Tulu from the lead 117.198.110.82 (talk) 16:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Dear friend, Looks like you completely missed the point. It is a general practice to include only the official language script in articles relating to geography, places where multiple ethnic people reside. In case of India, You can look for yourself that only Hindi language is shown in its wiki page (because it is the national language) even though constitution of India recognizes 22 other official languages. Take a look at Kanyakumari, Nagercoil or Padmanabhapuram pages, you can find that all these places are located in Tamil Nadu, where Tamil is the official language ( and all those pages have Tamil script added), even though there is a sizable Malayali population there. An act of including Malayalam script in those pages are dealt with much force. In this type of cases a mention is given about Malayalam as the major language in the region in the content of the article rather than scribbling Malayalam script in the article. Similar is the case with Palakkad, which even though in Kerala has a sizable Tamil speaking population.

Kindly provide for the content of the article rather than for adding multiple scripts on the article page.  arun  talk  10:28, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

I request to kindly look at udupi page and DK page nearer home and there are many others where the majority language and script both are mentioned irrespective of its official status. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.118.143.146 (talk) 06:25, 14 September 2010 (UTC)

Scripts???? All of them are Kannada scripts.... Anyway these articles are not FA...! They are in process of being one, so a page won't stay constant....Official script is more than sufficient on this page. Rest of the language issues can be added in the language section of the article with proper citations......  arun  talk  15:03, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

For your kind info Tulu is written in Kannada script as of now, though it has its own script which is being revived. You can see articles pertaining to DK and Udupi, which have Tulu and for that matter even Konkani scripts. My point is that Tulu being the majority language in the said place needs to be mentioned. Requesting you not to issue threats of blocking my IP which only implies you are not willing to discuss the issue. We need to maintain the original version until this issue is decided.Hence the revert.Hope you will not revert without discussing.188.50.98.153 (talk) 17:12, 15 September 2010 (UTC)

Kindly put all those language stuffs in language section of the article with proper citations. For the article, the official language script is more than enough. And on the matter of discussion, it was you who started this whole issue by undoing revisions without discussing. So it would be better if single script continues until this matter is sorted out. If you plan to start an edit war then I will be forced to complain this IP to admins....Kindly provide for the content of the article rather than fighting for inclusion of various language scripts.....  arun  talk  16:12, 16 September 2010 (UTC)

Kindly let me know where in Wiki rules it is mentioned that only official languages are to be put in the lead. Infox box is reserved for official languages only. Kindly refer to history to see who undid a long standing version. I do not intend to start an edit war. I have discussed my reason and points and cited some articles as well. Tulu being the majority language in Kasargod town need to be mentioned.188.50.98.153 (talk) 07:08, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Why don't you add a reliable source to the claim that Tulu is the majority language in Kasargod town. Salih (talk) 15:34, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Tulu is not even mentioned in constitution of India as an official language, although a mass effort is underway to make it one.My friend, this is English Wikipedia. Other language scripts are actually redundant here. Only for identifying the region with the official language used there is what it means to add the official language script in the article page. I notify you and still notify, you can add all those stuff in language section of the article. But let the article bear the official language script on the page until the standard Wiki practices change. The original version of the article had only Malayalam script on it, have a good look on article history for this. Tulu is of course one of the languages spoken in Kasaragod and yes, it needs a mention in this article. But adding multiple scripts is not the practice. If that was the case , Malayalam script would find a place in Mangalore, Kodagu, Nagercoil and many other articles in Wikipedia.  arun  talk  15:56, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

There are many articles with multiple scripts in the lead. Saying that only official scripts appear in the lead is wrong. We are talking about including the majority language scripts here. It is not possible to compare Mangalore, Kodagu, Nagercoil article with Kasargod as mentioned by you. Malayalam is the minority language in these said regions namely Mangalore, Kodagu, Nagercoil, but Tulu is the majority language in Kasaragod. Hope you got the difference between the two.188.50.98.153 (talk) 16:31, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Just saying Tulu is the majority language in Kasaragod is not enough for Wikipedia. Your claim needs to be substantiated with reliable sources. Otherwise it is not proper to have multiple scripts in the lede. Salih (talk) 16:48, 17 September 2010 (UTC)

Quoting Malayalam as minority language in Kodagu and Nagercoil is like stating Tulu is non-existent in Udupi. By above statements, you have proved that you are ignorant about the linguistic demographics of India. Stating Tulu as a majority language in Kasaragod Town is also false. I being a resident of Kasaragod know this more than anyone. But of course I admit that Tulu is the dominant language in bordering areas of Kasaragod such as Manjeshwaram. But reaching Kasaragod, the demographics completely changes. Please know the facts before coming for an argument. Official language script is more than enough on this article.  arun  talk  14:57, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Saying that Tulu is not a majority language in Kasaragod shows your knowledge of Kasargod. Tulu is the majority language in Kasargod Taluk and not just the border areas as mentioned by you, which again shows your depth of knowledge. Surely the demography changes as we go south to Hosadurga taluk and beyond but definitely not in Kasargod.188.54.36.145 (talk) 17:01, 18 September 2010 (UTC)