Talk:Kenya

Adequate Referance?

The section of the page regarding the great wildebeest migration being a natural wonder of the world was referenced from here http://www.kenya.me.uk/kenya/ (under Geography and climate), seeing as the page is in "lockdown" thanks to vandalisers I wanted to check that this ref was OK to add before doing so. Newedges (talk) 08:39, 16 June 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Newedges (talk • contribs) 08:29, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Hello. No, this site is not an adequate reference, because it is just a private blog. Please refer to WP:Verifiability for further details. Best regards, --R.Schuster (talk) 11:32, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

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Edit request from Stuligross, 24 June 2011

I would like to add a citation to the portion of the article relating to gvt. criticism. Wiki editors have specifically stated that there is a citation needed for the proposition (from memory) that Kenya suffers from a perception of corruption, which (according to the current article) has improved recently. I would propose that the sentence be changed to indicate that Kenya's development has been challenged by its low ranking in the corruption perception index, with a citation to: http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010/in_detail. I would delete the rest of the sentence, because the country (perhaps despite efforts) has consistently been ranked in the bottom 25-30 countries in this index. Thus, while efforts to reduce corruption may (I do not know) have been taken, the perception that the country remains one of the most corrupt countries in the world remains a substantial impediment to private investment.

Proposed change:

Poor governance and corruption have had a negative impact on growth, making it expensive to do business in Kenya. According to Transparency International, Kenya ranks poorly in the corruption perception index. [fn: http://www.transparency.org/policy_research/surveys_indices/cpi/2010]

DELETE: though there have been significant improvements in recent times.[citation needed] [THERE HAVE NOT BEEN IMPROVEMENTS IN THE PERCEPTION INDEX RECENTLY, AND WHILE IT IS DIFFICULT TO MEASURE FROM YEAR TO YEAR DUE TO DIFFERING METHODOLOGIES AND SAMPLING, THE STATEMENT IS NOT SUPPORTED BY ANY EVIDENCE THAT I HAVE LOCATED]

Stuligross (talk) 17:14, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Done Jnorton7558 (talk) 10:10, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Secondary Education

There seems to be a contradiction here and few sources:

In January 2003, the Government of Kenya announced the introduction of free primary education. As a result, primary school enrolment increased by about 70%. Secondary and tertiary education enrollment has not increased proportionally because payment is still required for attendance. [...] In 2007 the government issued a statement declaring that from 2008, secondary education would be heavily subsidised, with the government footing all tuition fees.

As far as I know, secondary education in Kenya is still not free even though subsidised and there is also a quality difference between different secondary schools. I will try to find some reliable sources on this issue. Greetings --hroest 11:13, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

Map of Kenya on the infobox is wrong....

The map lacks some current borders. It does not depict Eritrea (Eritrea is shown on the map as part of Ethiopia), Lebanon (There is no border between Lebanon and Syria on the map thus merging the 2 countries in one), South Sudan (Sudan is shown as one). The map also depicts the borders of the former North and South Yemen. It should be fixed to represent the current political reality. --Ecad93 (talk) 22:04, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Etymology

http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=34868&mode=linear – "Detective" discovered what appears to be a mistake in the article. Can someone familiar with Kenya please find out more accurate information on the origin and history of Kenya's name and provide sources? --Michaeldsuarez (talk) 12:28, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Good spot. I've removed the text for now, as it's unsourced. The Cavalry (Message me) 19:47, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Map

Kenya within African Union, without disputed territory

Kenya on the globe, with disputed territory

There has been an edit war recently about the map used in the infobox. One of the maps in question shows Kenya without the (disputed) Ilemi Triangle within the African Union. The other shows Kenya on the (Africa-centered) globe. The Ilemi Triangle is rendered in the same colour as Kenya, but separated from it by a white (border) line. This map has the problem (pointed out in a section above) of severe inaccuracies concerning Yemen and Lebanon.

If the Ilemi Triangle article is correct and Kenya has de facto control over the territory, it appears to me that we should use a map with the disputed territory added in a lighter colour. Obviously, the Yemen and Lebanon problems also need to be corrected. (This problem also affects the maps used on many other articles of African countries.)

For some reason the map currently in the infobox does not display for me. There is a red link to an image upload page. I don't understand why, as the file clearly exists. Hans Adler 07:34, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Actually, the standard colour scheme for maps is that if their is de facto control of claimed territory it should simply be dark green, with claimed but not controlled areas being a lighter green. I think I can fix the Yemen thing easily, but Lebanon may be harder. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 15:31, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I managed to fix Yemen and Eritrea by using the frame from the Algeria map. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:35, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I am afraid there is still something wrong with Yemen -- either here or on the map used at Yemen. They have totally different shapes. The shape at Yemen looks more familiar to me, but I may not be up to date. Hans Adler 17:27, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

I think the border there is not well demarcated, I've seen Yemen in lots of shapes. I don't personally know which one is more correct, but the CIA one is similar to the page at Yemen, so I'll assume that's correct for now. When I said I fixed Yemen I meant I removed that weird white line dividing it. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 18:11, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

You are right. I guess it's just desert, so nobody really cares where the border runs. Btw, the Yemeni unification happened in 1990, so it is in fact strange that it was ever dividided on this map. Hans Adler 20:04, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Ah, that would explain the line. The original map template must have been quite old. Anyway, I think I may be able to remove the triangle of Saudi Arabia sticking into Yemen in the orthographic map. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 02:26, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

It's weird that this map had Montenegro separated while other areas were so weirdly outdated. The West Bank was included in Jordan, and Walvis Bay was separated from Namibia. Anyway, I fixed those and edited the Yemen border. It's probably not impeccably accurate, but I reckon it should suffice. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 08:51, 15 September 2011 (UTC)