Talk:Land of Israel

I believe they are called scales

A standard map feature noticeably absent is the dimensional scale. I am wanting to know the physical dimensions of the land. I think it's ironic that there are perhaps fifteen maps and the word Mile or Kilometer does not even appear in the article. Xgenei (talk) 07:14, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

As the creator of the two Land of Israel maps, I expected (and got) lots of criticism but not this one. In both my maps, the current political states are indicated as colored areas in the background. from this and the dimensions of these states, you can do the math. It will be easier than calculating from a scale. Emmanuelm (talk) 13:34, 27 October 2010 (UTC)

the nation of Israel

if the abraham was to receive the promise of seed being numerous. and through his family linege. Israel is just a portion. are there not many nations under israel. where are the twelve nations located. twelve tribes.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.114.140.102 (talk) 02:29, 15 January 2011 (UTC) 

how much land was given to Issac and then passed on to jacob and so forth. I see Israel bigger than the geographic pictures.

I can't see Israel having such a small portion when it says clearly that he would have a great name and nation. and that his land would be great.I feel that parts of Israel was much larger land. is it possible that we will discover this shortly. that we will uncover hidden treasure of this land.of documents hidden from history now recovered. land will soon find evidence that it was much larger than recorded. it would be nice to know geographically. of some evidence lurking nearby the mosque buried beneath the well. just a wish dream.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.114.140.102 (talk) 02:45, 15 January 2011 (UTC) 

It seems merger suggestion with '"promised land" is not valid

I will remove it unless there is active objection (the notice exists for several months and no discussion has begun since).Greyshark09 (talk) 16:14, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

There was a discussion in July 2008 in the talk page of Promised Land. The majority opinion was in favour of this this merge but, somehow, nothing was done. Do you want to do it? Emmanuelm (talk) 20:29, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

I don't think this poll is valid any more, especially since the merger wan't done back then, and for almost 3 years everybody was "ok" that the merger wasn't performed. If you like to do a new poll, then ok, if not i will remove the notice.Greyshark09 (talk) 18:07, 5 February 2011 (UTC)

Removed it, until new request is issued.Greyshark09 (talk) 21:32, 6 February 2011 (UTC)

"Neutral Point of View / Objectivity"

Kindly refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mythology Irrespective of the particular religious faith, "sacred" texts is improper {sacred to whom??} while explicit reference to the mythological nature of the assertions contained therein is fair.

This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with not smuggling in ideas of objective truth simply because it pertains to the Bible, or Judaism, et cetera.

The bare, self-serving mythos of alleging the Creator promised land {already occupied} to a specfic ethno-religious group *may* be true, but the problem is it can not be assumed as true. Please refer to the concept of tautology.

I know God wrote the bible because the bible says god wrote it... this is not the standard for an encyclopedia... 68.173.231.193 (talk) 00:18, 5 July 2011 (UTC)fealsunachta

Neutrality

It feels that this page has several phrases that are in some way pro-Israel. I'll try to give some examples:

It occasionally surfaces in political debates on the status of the Palestinian territories.- When taken in context with the preceding text, grossly mis-understated and I think it fits a pattern of playing down the issues with Palestine/Arab neighbors.

Johann Friedrich Karl Keil is less clear, as he states that the covenant is through Isaac, but notes that Ishmael's descendants have held much of that land through time.[26] - This paragraph I wouldn't call biased, but, possibly on a side note, I think someone more familiar should point out the other ideas, such as God promised Abraham, Jews are no more descendants of Abraham then Christians and Muslims, ergo the 3 Abrahamic religions.

1918–1948: British mandate of Palestine under, first, League of Nations, then, successor United Nations; the Emirate of Trans-Jordan was separated from the rest of Palestine in 1922, and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan became independent upon the expiration of the League of Nations Mandate in 1946. May 1948–June 1967: Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan, for the Old City of Jerusalem and the larger part of the area; State of Israel for a smaller strip of land in the west June 1967 to present: State of Israel 1993 to present: State of Israel and Palestinian territories - Completely omitting Israels actions, using friendly language to work around the multiple wars and other widely considered war-crimes that are certainly important to the timeline.

Nonetheless, during two millennia of exile and with an almost continuous small settlement, a strong sense of bondedness exists throughout this tradition... - Clearly needs to be reworded, inaccurate, un-cited, and opinionated.

When Israel was founded in 1948, the majority Labor leadership, which governed for three decades after independence, accepted the partition of the previous British Mandate of Palestine into independent Jewish and Arab states as a pragmatic solution to the political and demographic issues of the territory, with the description Land of Israel applying to the territory of the State of Israel within the Green Line. The then opposition revisionists, who evolved into today's Likud party, however, regarded the rightful Land of Israel as Eretz Yisrael Ha-Shlema (literally, the whole Land of Israel), which came to be referred to as Greater Israel. - Again undertones of bias, and innaccurate, not addressing the negatives of the event.

Usage by Palestinians (heading) - There's only one rather trivial idea addressed, could be improved.

Overall the language clearly seems skewed to pro-Israelism, and under playing most notably the Palestinian pov. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.81.236.40 (talk) 15:53, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Capital's cities of Israel by the Bible

hi !. please notice to this cities:

• Jerusalem - capital of all jewish people
• Shiloh - it was the temporary Capital of israel befor the first temple was built in Jerusalem.

• Tel Dan - capital of north israel kingdom
• Shechem (Nablus) - capital of north israel kingdom
• Beit El

פארוק (talk) 18:04, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion for the article

I wonder if the article should be split in two - one part for the biblcal term, another for the way the term has been used in modern times?

The biblical term doesn't appear before the Exile - it seems to have been used in books like Numbers and Ezekiel to cement a sense of identity among the exilic community prior to the return to Judah. That's why the boundaries differ - sometimes they're pretty much coterminous with the Persian province of Beyond-the-River, sometimes much smaller. There are some good books in the references section (Meyer for example), but they need to used better.

I don't know anything about the modern period and can't help there. PiCo (talk) 12:40, 27 December 2011 (UTC)