Talk:List of German monarchs

Pretenders of Germany

I want to readd the pretenders section. Under the German Empire's Constitution, the King of Prussia was German Emperor; therefore, the pretenders to the Prussian throne are also pretenders to the German throne. Just check the articles House of Hohenzollern, Line of succession to the German throne, List of rulers of Prussia. Emperor001 (talk) 02:21, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Liudolfing or Ottonian?

Since Liudolfing is piped to Ottonian, which redirects to Ottonian dynasty, is there any particular reason why we can't just say "Ottonian". Certainly I think of those kings as "Ottonian". Scolaire (talk) 19:20, 22 May 2009 (UTC)

Ferdinand II

Could somebody cite a source for Ferdinand being elected during Matthias's lifetime and becoming king of the Romans? I've never heard of such a thing, and I've read a decent amount about the period. My understanding was that he was only elected after Matthias's death. john k (talk) 01:09, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Alright, looks like this was just vandalism by an anon that nobody caught. Sigh. john k (talk) 01:18, 6 July 2009 (UTC)

Confusion about names/titles

The sections from the German_Emperor#German_confederations.2C_1806-1871 downwards have separate columns for rulers name and title, yet the titles are actually confusingly split between name and title. Example: Frederick William IV has also the title "King of Prussia" in his name and only "President of the German Union" in his title column; presumably the "King of Prussia" should be moved to the title column as well. Also, to clear the confusion, the intro should discuss the usage of the title of German Emperor from 1871 onwards. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 01:17, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

I think the idea of the "title" column is that we're talking about the title they held that gave them authority over Germany, not all titles they held. "King of Prussia" identifies who he was, but has nothing, technically speaking, to do with ruling over Germany. The idea is that there were various different organizations formed between 1806 and 1871 that were confederations or federations that had authority over the whole of Germany. The heads of those organizations had titles, which is what the title column is for. The text should perhaps explain this, though. john k (talk) 02:24, 31 August 2009 (UTC)

Also regarding the titles: they are provided in English and Modern High German, both languages unknown to the rulers (at least in the early days). It would be nice to have them in OHG/MHG as appropriate if someone has the ability and time, unfortunately I have neither. 138.162.128.53 (talk) 17:24, 22 February 2010 (UTC)

No, it would not be appropriate and totaly useless to put them here in a language no reader understands. Certainly not in this list, maybe (if it really must be) in the articles about the various offices. Str1977 ^(talk) 18:27, 23 July 2010 (UTC)

Lead

The article is called List_of_German_monarchs not List_of_monarchs of Germany. All we have in here is: Eastern Frankish Kingdom German Kingdom, Holy Roman Empire German confederations, 1806-1871 Confederation of the Rhine, 1806-1813 German Confederation, 1815-1866 North German Confederation, 1867-1871 German Empire (1871–1918) Where is Germany? Mootros (talk) 16:04, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Where is Germany? Between France and Poland, as always.

But it is quite true that this should be the list of monarchs of Germany; Frederick the Great and Ludwig the Mad were German monarchs. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 16:15, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I'm afraid this is a rather ahistorical perspective. The sources I've added, especially with regards to kings prior to Henry IV (Heinrich IV) clearly show this. Mootros (talk) 17:58, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

What sources? These edits have none. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 18:44, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

No. 18:54, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

-> ^ a b c d Medieval Europeans: studies in ethnic identity and national perspectives in medieval Europe By Alfred P. Smyth, Palgrave Macmillan (1998), p. 64

This is an anthology; I presume you actually mean Chapter 3: The Making of England and Germany 850–1050; which uses kingdom of Germany and Germany throughout. Since this applies only to the rise of the Saxon dynasty, and says that their Germany may have been as well organized as Anglo-Saxon England, the strongest state in Europe, this fails verification. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 01:29, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Emperor-elect

I think that the "Emperor-elect" identifications in the list should be preceded with "de jure" because in our modern understanding an "-elect" is someone without power. СЛУЖБА (talk) 07:00, 30 December 2011 (UTC)