Talk:List of wine-producing regions

Irish Wine?

I don't think Ireland should be included as a wine producing region. It doesn't produce wine on any scale that I am aware. (There are a handful of vineyards producing German-style whites, but I've never actually seen the wine for sale here.) As such, I'm removing it. Wine is however produced in Southern Britain on a small commercial scale, (see cf. [1]) and note also that there are minor wine-producing countries that aren't on the list - e.g. Luxembourg. Blorg 20:09, 25 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Actually, isn't Ireland too cool in the summer to produce most, if not all varieties of grapes? Heff01 04:54, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

German Regions

is there any system to the German wine-growing regions? Sometimes only a river is given? --Yak 11:01, 26 Jul 2004 (UTC)

Not to this list. Am gradually fixing them, will fix this later. There are 13 official regions. I hadnt really looked at this page before. Frankly its completely useless. Justinc 21:06, 28 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Disambiguated some links

I have disambiguated the links to most of the South Australian and Victorian regions. This led to creating a broken link for Eden Valley (the default target was wrong!), and the link for Macedon Ranges is to the shire, rather than create another broken link. The Grampians link still points to a disambiguation page, as it was not appropriate to redirect it to point to a national park. -- ScottDavis 08:06, 3 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Could someone add China!

China is, according to FAO stats, one of the 10 biggest wine producing nations in the world, which seems reason enough to add the country. China is also lacking from the wine entry, despite having a small but nevertheless 2,000 years old tradition of wine making. 213.89.48.107 19:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Gavi

Hi, the wine-producing region of Gavi (a small village in the south of Piedmont) has nothing to do with the small island in the Tyrrhenian Sea (to which it is linked in this wikipedia page). One should create a disambiguation page. Riccardo

Appart from Commandaria Cyprus also produces a variety of other wines which also exports.

American viticultural areas

How does a county or region qualify as an American viticultural area? I am from Lehigh County, Pennsylvania which, despite being pretty small in area, having around 1,000 people per square mile, and not much farmland left, produces a significant share of Pennsylvania's internal wine sales, particularly from Clover Hill Winery and Blue Mountain Vineyards. I believe that it merits serious consideration, if not outright approval as an AVA. I should contact my Congressman Charlie Dent's office about this matter. Heff01 05:06, 10 January 2007 (UTC)

Palestinian Territories

Why are the Palestinian Territories listed as a subcategory of Iran? It seems that they ought to be either a subcategory of Israel or listed as their own region.

Scandinavia

Some farms in Denmark does produce wine from own grown grapes, see here (not english language). Orcaborealis (talk) 20:51, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Bolivia wine

I used in that country in South America and they produce and excellent wine around Tarija, close to the Argentinian border. I think it could be useful to add some information about that region and its grapes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.30.105.252 (talk) 21:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

Venezuela wine

I had the curiosity to investigate about wine producers around the world and to my surprise y found listed in your article, to Venezuela. It really seems to be a joke, there are no conditions under no circumstances to produce a wine that comes close to the worst wines in the world. It is different to mean that here in Venezuela we grow grapes and use them to make a fairly good grape juice. Otherwise do not forget to mention, Cuba, Ecuador, Venezuela, Panama, Colombia and other countries within the neighborhood which have geographical and technological conditions to make it better.

--Alvarefez (talk) 21:02, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

The Oxford Companion to Wine almost agrees with you; around 1,000 hectares in Venezuela mostly used for table grapes or raisins, and wines mostly made from grape concentrate (which tends to give quite bad wine). But, production of at least decent wines relatively close to the equator is in fact an expanding phenomenon in several countries. Typically, I've understood that the trick is to seek out high locations (=colder, to avoid to quick ripening, which produces "jam" rather than wine) with reasonably low rainfall (rot due to moisture is typically a big problem in tropical viticulture). OCW mentions "Mérida in Lagunillas" as one such location, and Barquistimeto as another. Perhaps these names mean something to you? At least wine production in Venezuela, although a small affair, is not a joke. Tomas e (talk) 21:37, 17 July 2009 (UTC)

Israel

Golan is not Israel [2] --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 07:08, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I will try to explain once again. The Golan Heights are occupied by Israel, as I'm sure you know. This means that for practical purpose, the Golan Heights including its vineyards are currently under Israeli rather than Syrian control. One effect of this is that Israeli winemakers use the area to produce wines, which have become quite good, have found an export market, and received international acclaim, which is a contributing reason to why this subject is covered in Wikipedia. Those wines are labelled as Israeli wines, with Golan Heights their region of origin. (You are free to consider it an outrage, but that is still what their labels say.) Therefore, in this list of wine-producing regions, Golan Heights are sorted under the Israeli heading. However, to notify the reader that the list includes areas on occupied territories, there is an introductory remark with a wikilink to the subject. In my mind, this is an appropriate NPOV treatment of the subject in a list having a wine focus. In the linked articles, things can be explained in slightly more words than a list (respecting NPOV treatment and a proper focus of the articles, of course). And, of course, should Israel return Golan Heights to Syria, then we will naturally move the Golan Heights to a Syria heading, because then the wines would be produced under Syrian labels. I hope this clarifies matters, and let us all hope that we one day will see a more peaceful Middle East that will become more noted for its wine production than for its wars, conflicts and territorial disputes. Tomas e (talk) 11:18, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

This is not an advertisement for Israeli wine, so what the label says doesn't matter, every time Golan or any other area Israel occupies is mentioned, it must clearly say that it is not part of Israel. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 14:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)--Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 14:49, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

If your opinion is that this list is somehow "advertisement" and against Wikipedia policy, primarily WP:LIST, you should of course take it to WP:AFD to have it deleted. Because I would have to assume that your comment does not just apply to the relatively small "Israel" section of the list? Otherwise, I recommend WP:NOT for close reading, especially the WP:NOTSOAPBOX. I don't really see how your argumentation is related to improving this List of wine-producing regions, which is the sole purpose of this talk page under WP:TALK. Tomas e (talk) 22:43, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

Clearly it is not our job to adjudicate between the rightful ownership of disputed territories in the Middle East or elsewhere. Therefore it would seem both appropriate and simple to list this both under Syria and under Israel together with a footnote stating that there is a territorial dispute. Ian Spackman (talk) 14:25, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

I don't understand how a search for a reasonably NPOV view of how to draw up a List of wine-producing regions can be construed to be to "adjudicate between the rightful ownership of disputed territories" by anyone who has read the WP:AGF and WP:NPA policies. As to the inclusion of Golan Heights as a Syrian wine region, I'd of course be happy to do so, if you're able to provide a reliable sources showing there is any Golan Heights wine produced with "Syria" on the labels. And, by the way, this list is not of all pieces of land in all countries, but those having the status of wine regions. Unlike, say, Alsace, which has passed between Germany and France a number of times while still being a wine region, my understanding is that the Golan Heights viticultural activities were actually built up under Israeli control/occupation/whatchamacallit. Thus, the claim of Golan Heights as a Syrian wine region has little coverage in reality. Tomas e (talk) 22:43, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

• Comment As this is a wine article, the subject matter should be dealt in the same manner as it is in the wine world. In the wine world, what's on the wine label is of extreme importance in classification since nearly every wine law from the AOC-style systems used by many European Union countries to the American Viticultural Area have strict regulations on the region/country of origin being listed on the label. This has nothing to do with advertizing but rather the importance of the place name being on the wine label. In the wine world, wine produced from the Golan Heights is near universally considered Israeli wine and the region is classified as an "Israeli wine" region. That is why it is always listed as an "Israeli wine" on the wine label and that is why we list it here in the appropriate category. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 23:18, 8 February 2010 (UTC)

"significant growing regions"

How "significant growing region" is defined? Bulwersator (talk) 13:37, 13 June 2011 (UTC)