Talk:Manila

Where is the Reality?

This article bares almost no resemblance to the city of Manila, at least not the city I have visited. No smog, no poverty, no traffic congestion. This is propaganda. FixMacs (talk) 22:51, 6 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by FixMacs (talk • contribs) 22:47, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Any specific suggestions? Chipmunkdavis (talk) 23:58, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

We should probably mention the poverty, traffic, pollution and crime. :P –HTD 15:20, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

After all the trouble the government goes to to hide them?!? But yes, while there is something on pollution, everything else is rather absent. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 16:03, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Some verifiable sources: Poverty [1], [2], [3], [4]; crime [5], [6], [7], [8]; lots more out there. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 23:44, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Shouldn't be hard to add, although I'm afraid to tackle some of this page (which is an unusually promotional GA). No objections I take it? Chipmunkdavis (talk) 00:02, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Hmmm... I dunno but shouldn't these be at the Metro Manila article? I haven't checked out the links but what affects Manila affects the other cities in the Metro. I'm wondering though if there are Manila-specific problems. It'll be nice too if there are studies or city-wide stats on these as those would be better sources than plucking out a random crime then making it representative of the situation. An example would be how many crimes were committed in the city for a year, comparison with other cities and time periods (ex: How many homicides happen in Manila in 2010? Did it go down from 2003? Did Quezon City and Bangkok had a higher rate per 1,000 inhabitants? How dirty was Manila's air last year? Did it get worse from 2005? What were the reason why it got worse? What district in the city has the highest incidence of poverty? Did conditions improve there from xx years ago? Et cetera.) –HTD 13:42, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

There should definitely be information in the Metro article, but that doesn't preclude having information here. We could actually probably use sources that talk about endemic problems across the metro in this article, although specifics obviously could be used. Information about areas around the port could be used for example. Chipmunkdavis (talk) 14:22, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I was only worried that what applies to the Metro article would get into here. Mostly, most of the stats since on the media are metro-wide, hence I was looking for city-wide stats, and city-specific instances. For example on the port, North Harbor is separated from Tondo by Road 10. On the north bound side are slums and kids who throw poop at cars. That's a "unique Manila experience" you won't get anywhere else. Another way to look at it is where are majority of the petty crimes done in the city? We'd say "Crime is predominant in Manila" it would've been boring. Now if we say "Quiapo is the district where most petty crimes are committed" then that's something. If we're into generalities it should probably go to the Metro article. –HTD 14:33, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

Reindent: As further example to this, the "Environmental issues" section mentions of a catastrophe during Typhoon Ketsana aka Ondoy. The cited article shows us a picture of Marikina, so that has to be changed. While the city suffered just as any other place battered by a storm, it's only major problem was the flooded Quezon Blvd. underpass and some badly-flooded streets in Santa Mesa, and probably the usual floods at Espana Boulevard. This was in stark contrast to the floods that reached roofs that engulfed Marikina and western Rizal. –HTD 17:39, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

New Montage

User Mervynbunique added a new image to the article's intro. Since changes like this have always been discussed here first, I just thought I should open this up for an informal vote between the previous and current images. So which do people prefer? — Preceding unsigned comment added by DragosteaDinTei (talk • contribs) 12:51, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Previous

File:Manila City Montage 2011.JPG Current

The caption "The entire skyline of Manila" for the previous image (not the montage) is misleading. Last I checked, both Makati and Taguig are separate cities. Both these cities skylines can clearly be seen in the previous image. Ortigas can also be seen there. If the caption stated that it was the "The entire skyline of Metro Manila" then that would be fine. However, this article is about the city and not the metropolitan area. Elockid ^(Talk) 13:39, 4 January 2012 (UTC)

Can't we have a montage of six pics, one pic per legislative district? I can't pic a suitable pic for the first 2 districts, though... And most virtually omit the part of the city north of the Pasig. –HTD 15:21, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

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Land area

Isn't the land area of 38,55 km² out of date? The NSCB publishes a land area of only 24,98 km² [9] (as well as different values for the other cities and municipalities of Metro Manila as those published in Wikipedia). --Septembermorgen (talk) 14:01, 8 January 2012 (UTC)

I think the 38.55 number is for total area (land and water). Before the MMDA took down the information, they had differing numbers for the area of the cities. So I was guessing the smaller number is the land area and the larger number is the total city area. The infobox doesn't specify which is which either, so we could specify that. It's not specified either in the article unless I'm missing something. Elockid (Alternate) ^(Talk) 16:53, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Also conflicting info. Elockid (Alternate) ^(Talk)

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