Talk:Methaqualone
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[edit] Long term effects
It would be useful to have a section on the long-term effects of the drug. I remember there being rumours in SA that it made your hair curly and messed up your nails --Mostyn 11:48, 21 April 2008 (UTC)
Is there any reference about Gujiral being the discoverer of methaqualone in 1955? I always thought it was discovered during wwII when Japan cut of Quinin supplies. There also is an article about methaqualone in an 1951 article in the "Journal of the Indian Chemical Society" according to the Merck Index --82.207.200.229 21:08, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
Do you think it would be worthwhile to add a reference to ludes and the game dopewars(drug wars), in which they are one of the drugs you can deal? Perhaps this methaqualone is more commonly known as ludes, anyway I added a redirect for those of us wondering what ludes are. ~ --Haruki 08:33, 1 Oct 2004 (UTC)
No it is not usefeul to add this --81.244.91.27 09:56, 5 Jun 2005 (UTC)
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It is a shame this drug is no longer around. In the early 70's it was my fave. The effects on me were EXACTLY like drinking alot, but without any side effects. None what so ever. Most females reacted that way. As a non gay male who always thought I didn't have enough testosterone (my voice never deepened enought), I have wondered for years why most abuse of this drug was male. I know a few folk who could not hold their drugs any better than their alcohol. They are born again now, and still exhibit that same addictive personality thing.altough this is all bollox
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These pills were heavily abused in the southern US under the name Blues. Along with T's they were used intraveinously, most times in combination with T's. This drug is apparently known as "Mandrax" in South Africa. Maybe it's relevant to mention that this drug's side effects are probably what led actor Freddie Prinze to suicide.
"Blues" have absolutely nothing to do with methaqualone. T's and Blues is one in a long line of heavily abused opioid-antihistamine combinations. On the issue of whether it was heavily abused in the South by the name "Blues," I cannot, say, but I'm not aware of a blue methaqualone pill. ________
Methaqualone is known as mandrax in South Africa however on the street it is commonly refered to as Buttons. Explosive steve 11:15, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
What is that stuff added about the Church of Scientology? Is that true? I added a citation needed tag, because I don't know Djohnsto77 03:12, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
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I am really so new to writing anything in Wikipedia I have not even visited this for about a year. I am the writer or editor that did the extensive research behind methaqualone's history. Someone asked and inserted "citation needed" so forgive me for such a slow response. Once I can figure out "how to add the citation" I will. I promise to get with the program here on Wikipedia. I do write for WikiHow but obviously there are far more stringent guidelines to learn here with a steeper learning curve. Apparently I need to start an account or my own page. I did so under my companies name, even made a financial donation, but caught hell from the editors. I admit I never bothered reading the guidelines or link policies. But certainly I had no ill intentions, sure hope they don't continue to hold it against me.--76.166.149.103 (talk) 08:51, 5 October 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.166.149.103 (talk) 08:35, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Errors
The article characterizes methaqualone as an "antianxiolytic." This would literally mean a drug that antagonizes the relief of anxiety. The correct term is simply "anxiolytic."
It is mentioned in the discussion that methaqualone was used intravenously as "Blues," in the combination "Ts and Blues." This is incorrect. "Blues" were the antihistamine triplenenamine, which, when used with Tylenol with Codeine ("Ts") was said to create an opioid-like high.
^ T's were not codeine either. T's were Talwin, or pentazocine. It's a benzomorphan opioid. Talwin + Tripplenamine (correct spelling) was extremely popular, which resulted in Talwin NX being brought to market, containing naloxone to prevent injection of this product.
[edit] "Depression"
I edited the effects heading. Originally it said that high doses could result in depression, among other things, and linked to the clinical depression page, which redirects to Major Depressive Disorder. This results from a stupid belief among lay and otherwise pharm illiterate folk that CNS depressants produce depressed affect, which isn't true at all. I'm sure many here have heard that "of course long term high dose alcoholism results in depressed drunks" or something to that effect. It's nonsense. Anyone who's ever drank ought to know that a CNS depressant doesn't automatically produce depression, that's the result of sobering up and being an addict.
Methaqualone is a CNS depressant and high doses will cause depression of the respiratory drive, but regarding mood, it's a strong mood elevator.
[edit] Street names (Chris Morris)?
Jessop Jessop Jessop Jessop Jessop ? Clarky Cat ?
Someone's having a laugh.
Meh. I think I'll remove the section completely. Talk about irrelevant bloat.Ticklemygrits 16:55, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
- I think we need at least a brief mention of other names, as the article starts with methaqualone, but later refers to quaaludes and 'ludes. I'd add it myself, but I'm not really knowledgeable on this subject. --Pyrochem (talk) 19:27, 20 December 2007 (UTC)
Methaqualone was manufactured in the United States by the pharmaceutical giants "Rorer" and "Lemmon" with the numbers 714 stamped on the tablet, later to be refered to on the streets as 714's, also as simply "lemons". Underground labs in Mexico continued manufacture of Qualudes all through the 1980's, continuing the "714" stamp, until their popularity waned in the early 1990's.
Other lesser known names include: Disco Biscuits, Down And Dirtys, Fuckers, Joe Fridays,Lennons, Lovers, Ludes, Mandies, Mandrake, Q, qua, quaa, quack, Quad, Qualudes, Soaper, Supper, Vitamin Q, The Love Drug, Wallbangers, Whore Pills,...
[edit] Anti-drug bias in article?
Consider this sentence in the article: "Mandrax has become a major problem and is one of the most commonly abused hard drugs in South Africa." The statement presumes that drug use for fun is a 'problem' and that it is 'abuse'. Perhaps this statement was written by a law enforcement officer? I doubt that the users in South Africa would agree with this statement. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.193.144.79 (talk) 12:31, 15 April 2008 (UTC)
removed language about 'clearly addictive', based on no supporting cites and personal knowledge of former users. removed 'problem drug abuse' as point of view. article also mentions it as a 'hard' drug; while acknowledging it may strong, i think this description is vague. which drugs are 'soft'? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 63.193.144.79 (talk) 00:21, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Drug of abuse
Apparently still prescribed in 3rd world but sceduled by the DEA in the US. Back then it had the numbers "624" inscribed on them, like in the song "25 or 6 to 4". Oft given to those on "bad trips" to come down. Twas a popular drug to get your date "in the mood".
Shjacks45 (talk) 14:28, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] 10cc
I've removed the unsourced reference to 10cc's "I'm Mandy Fly Me" being a song about Mandrax. Unless you've got a source that can quote 10cc themselves giving this (rather far-fetched and unlikely) interpretation of the song, the band themselves in a couple of interviews claimed the inspiration for the song was a famous ad campaign for United Airlines, and that the song describes a fantasy of an eventful plane journey with a stewardess named Mandy. (And is a quasi-sequel to another song they wrote about an eventful plane trip called "Clockwork Creep", which recounted a potential airborne terrorist bombing.) 172.166.107.107 (talk) 20:55, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
[edit] Pop culture section
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In the Lynyrd Skynyrd song "That Smell," Ronnie Van Zant sings, "So they call you Prince Charming, can't speak a word when you're full of ludes," a reference to guitarist Gary Rossington. In the Funkadelic song "Stick Finger", they chant, "I don't want to get up, Quaalude me down". In the 2pac song "Everything They Owe," he claims that police came into his home and said "Where is the quaaludes?" The Social Distortion song "Lude Boy" is about Quaalude abuse. Also, in the documentary film Another State of Mind, Social Distortion bassist Brent Liles can be seen wearing a shirt displaying a Quaalude reference during the San Francisco show scene. In the 1977 film Jubilee, Jordan's character Amyl Nitrate, an "anti-historian", says it would be great if "all of history could be written on a Mandrax." In Denis Leary's 1992 Showtime special No Cure for Cancer Leary makes reference to ludes as a drug he did in the 1970s In the 2000 film Almost Famous, Kate Hudson's character Penny Lane overdoses on Quaaludes before getting her stomach pumped. In the first season of the Showtime series Weeds, a character claims to have in her possession the "last pharmaceutical Quaalude in the world." The episode was called "Lude Awakening". The last scene of the episode show the character showing her breasts to a teenage boy. When the boy's mother walk's in, "I took a Lude" was the woman's excuse. In Armistead Maupin's Tales of the City books the character Mona Ramsay is a frequent Quaalude user. Tony says that Elvira "wakes up with a Quaalude" in the movie Scarface. In the Cheech and Chong movie Up In Smoke, Quaaludes are mentioned in several places. While driving the "van made entirely out of marijuana," which the narcotic Sergeant Stadenko is pursuing, Cheech and Chong pick up two hitchhiking women. One of them, 'Jade East,' offers Chong a 'lude. At The Roxy Theatre, she gives Chong pills she believes are uppers, but which are actually Quaaludes, before he attempts to perform. Chong's stage persona during his band's performance is "Captain Quaalude"; he is dressed in tights, a shirt emblazoned with a huge Quaalude and a cape. The apparent overdose of Quaalude that Chong has received causes him to fall all over the stage and his drums, until he is revived by marijuana smoke being drawn into the Roxy's ventilation system from the van burning in front of the club. In the movie Wonderland, John Holmes (Val Kilmer) aided and abetted in the theft of $100,000 in Quaaludes from the character Eddy Nash. Rapper Mickey Avalon mentions Quaaludes in his song "Dipped in Vaseline" with the lyrics "Hustling gay dude for Quaaludes, out by the pool, in a baby-blue bathing suit. Waiting for Jesus to bring the juice." The Dead Kennedys song "M.T.V. − Get off the Air" has the line "Hi, I'm your video DJ. I always talk like I'm wigged out on Quaaludes." The Minor Threat song "Straight Edge" contains the line, "Laugh at the thought of eating ludes..." In Walk Hard: The Dewey Cox Story, he mentions to his son, Dewey-Raheem, that "Quaaludes and water-skiing do not mix." On Robin Williams' 1979 record Reality, What a Concept, the comedian continually references the drug in regards to his "stoner character." The David Bowie song "Time" has the line "Time - in Quaaludes and red wine." Also mentioned in the song "Rebel Rebel"; "You got your queue line and a handful of ludes..." The Lemonheads song "It's all true" has the line "Sorry 'bout dropping that 'lude, it just seemed like the best thing to do." Shel Silverstein's album The Great Conch Train Robbery contains a song ntitled "Quaaludes Again," which is about a woman's addiction to Quaaludes and the fact that she is doing them again. In the film Blades of Glory, Will Ferrell's character, Chazz Michael Michaels, anounces that he was high on Quaaludes at an event. On the HBO Show Entourage, talent Representative Ari Gold quotes "The Last time I blacked out, I took four Quaaludes and Fucked Chatel Luttenberg." In Fast Times at Ridgemont High, Sean Penn's character, Jeff Spicoli, states,"People on 'ludes should not drive," as he drives down the street in his friend's brother's car. In the Walk Softly Through the Night episode of Quincy M.E., Dr Quincy confronts an unethical physician who prescribes Methaqualone to addicts for a profit. Straight edge hardcore band Gorilla Biscuits take their name from New York Slang for Quaaludes. In the Kottonmouth Kings' song, "Johnny's got A Problem," he states "I ain't got no problems whut the fuck's wrong with you, get me a blue and a twelve pack of brew, some chicks to screw who know whut to do, plus 2 quaaludes for when the night's through" In the 3rd episode of Desperate Housewives (Season 4) (The Game) Tom Scavo asks Stella Wingfield(Lynette Scavo's mother) if she had put Quaaludes in the cocoa she gave his children before putting them to sleep. In an episode of Will and Grace, Grace jokes about the drummer of one's prom band putting a "Quaalude in your Fresca". Also, in the Book The Wolf of Wall Street, various times through out the book. |
Collapsed above is the removed pop culture section. The most famous examples (one or two, perhaps three at the most) should be cited, if possible, and perhaps returned to the article in prose (not list) format. Avruch T 21:14, 10 January 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Removed 'misuse' paragraph as POV
Perhaps the writer intended to say 'illegal' or 'not medically recognized'. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ykral (talk • contribs) 18:15, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
additional reference by the butthole surfers i added. feel free to edit it correctly. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.30.80.254 (talk) 02:48, 30 May 2009 (UTC)
[edit] Ethnocentric poop
I'm removing the following crap:
"Methaqualone is no longer legally produced, so methaqualone for the South African market is manufactured either in India or in South Africa itself — or in other African countries.[7]"
"Legal" WHERE? It's no longer legally produced in the USA, but it's perfectly legal in many other jurisdictions. This is ethnocentric crap. 70.185.226.203 (talk) 06:42, 8 January 2010 (UTC)
[edit] 714 (disambiguation)
Not generic methaqualone, but the famous brand by the name "Quaalude" was made by 'William H Rorer Inc.' as per the 714 disambiguation page, this deserves mention in the article as notable. 184.76.53.217 (talk) 10:47, 2 April 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Use for insomnia
When I was attending speical forces medical training in the 1970's my physician-teacher explained that this drug was considered a break through in sleep therapy since its effects did not eliminate REM sleep and the patient awoke as refreshed as most people would from normal sleep. It is a shame that this drug has been scheduled out of prescription use, since there doesn't seem to be a replacement drug that is as safe to use. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.79.43.207 (talk) 04:51, 15 August 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Photophobia
Someone had some fun with the definition of photophobia --- "photophobia (the fear of being photographed)."
75.66.160.11 (talk) 03:13, 8 January 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Moved from article
The following list of references was appended to the article, but they do not appear to be used to support any of the current article content. I'm moving them here in case anyone would like to use them to expand the article. -- Ed (Edgar181) 15:52, 5 January 2012 (UTC)
- Smyth RD, Lee JK, Polk A, Chemburkar PB, Savacool AM (October 1973). "Bioavailability of methaqualone". J Clin Pharmacol 13 (10): 391–400. PMID 4490663. http://jcp.sagepub.com/cgi/pmidlookup?view=long&pmid=4490663.
- Nayak RK, Smyth RD, Chamberlain JH, et al. (April 1974). "Methaqualone pharmacokinetics after single- and multiple-dose administration in man". J Pharmacokinet Biopharm 2 (2): 107–21. doi:10.1007/BF01061503. PMID 4427217.
- Chemburkar PB, Smyth RD, Buehler JD, et al. (April 1976). "Correlation between dissolution characteristics and absorption of methaqualone from solid dosage forms". J Pharm Sci 65 (4): 529–33. doi:10.1002/jps.2600650413. PMID 1271252.
