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[edit] Slacker uprising
Gandydancer (talk · contribs), please explain why you persistently "trim" any possible hint at controversy in a controversial paragraph. Hearfourmewesique (talk) 05:19, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
- I have not tried to "trim" controversy; I have tried to comply with WP guidelines. Perhaps you need to review policy. I will revert your edit. Gandydancer (talk) 13:43, 7 December 2011 (UTC)
- I agree with Gandydancer. Please see WP:BLPN.--Bbb23 (talk) 02:13, 8 December 2011 (UTC)
[edit] NRA presidential aspirations
Michael Moore told Entertainment Weekly in October 2002 and The Guardian in November 2002 that he bought a life membership in the NRA so that he could convince 5 million new members to join and so outvote the existing 4 million members of the NRA. The 5 million were to vote him in as NRA president, replacing Charlton Heston.
Various observers have said that Moore's "plan" served him as a plot device in his film Bowling for Columbine but that as an actual plan it was never viable. That is why I do not think that Moore should be quoted in the first person to tell the reader in Wikipedia's voice that he for sure planned to become NRA president. What Moore says to the press and what he actually wanted may be two different things. Our text should introduce an element of doubt. Binksternet (talk) 15:23, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Unless there are reliable sources that back up this claim, not telling the reader in Wikipedia's voice that Moore planned to do something because he said so will be calling him a liar, won't it? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 15:37, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- No, the way to look at it is that Moore is his own best promotional tool. He is a performance piece incarnate. He says things to stir the pot. Binksternet (talk) 15:48, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Believe me, I'm the first to jump on that wagon, but we still need sources for this. By the way, do you want to help me build a real controversy section, as all previous attempts were rejected? Hearfourmewesique (talk) 16:18, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- If you mean this group of edits bringing in the Mike Wilson film, I don't think it was written in a neutral tone, with "fallaciously erroneous conclusion" as the highlight. Binksternet (talk) 16:47, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- The simple solution is for the article to say something like "Moore said that his plan was ...". There is no need to speculate about whether it really was his plan. But it ought to be said that the plan could not have worked, and Moore abandoned it. Roger (talk) 16:57, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, a simple solution, and elegant. Binksternet (talk) 20:01, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Simple, elegant and accurate.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 20:16, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
- Works for me as well. The Interior (Talk) 20:53, 13 December 2011 (UTC)
