Talk:Michael Savage

Liberal Bias

I removed the section of how his liberal enemies would describe him, as there is no analogous section for Jon Stewart and others, although many consider Jon Stewart very hateful in referring to Tea Partiers as "Tea Baggers" etc and swearing so much (saying "f*ck you" to Sarah Palin onstage). Jon Stewart is not described as "hateful" in his beginning intro section, or anywhere else in his article. It all contributes to the fact that wikipedia has a liberal bias. It is not a serious academic resource if it has such a liberal bias. — Preceding unsigned comment added by CaptainNicodemus (talk • contribs) 20:49, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

"Jon Stewart is not described as "hateful!!!???"
"....Savage was barred from Britain in part for "seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred..."

But you are right. Reality has a liberal bias. Are you certain you want to compensate for that!?

The insane twist the facts to fit their world view.
The rational change their world view to fit the facts.

--68.127.84.95 (talk) 02:17, 28 August 2011 (UTC)Doug Bashford

Like a good Stalinist, take the government's line and parrot it as objective truth. The term "hateful" is a subjective label meant to cast aspersions on a man in a supposedly unbiased encyclopedia. Of course the WP cabal couldn't have that. Thoughtcrime doubleplus ungood, right?129.237.222.1 (talk) 18:33, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm not sure what the issue is here exactly. The lede says that we was banned for "allegedly 'seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred'". That's exactly what the British government alleged, but the article makes no determination as to whether or not the allegation was true or not, so I'm not sure where the bias you're referring to is. If you point it out I'll be glad to help sort this out. Also, please avoid personal attacks and assume good faith. Evanh2008, Super Genius Who am I? You can talk to me... 23:17, 2 September 2011 (UTC)

CAIR IRS Status?

What relevance to this article is the following statement? This doesn't seem to have any connection to Michael Savage, let alone that phrases like 'earlier this month' should not be used unless the author plans to update the date every month.

"The Council on American-Islamic Relations, as well as the offshoot CAIR Foundation, was included earlier this month on a massive list of 275,000 organizations that the IRS said were losing their tax-exempt status because they did not file required annual reports. Most of the groups on that list are presumed to be defunct, but CAIR is not—its website continues to solicit "tax-deductible" donations.[74]" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.9.119.118 (talk) 17:06, 27 June 2011 (UTC)

UK Government

It is incorrect to state that the current government is of the Conservative Party (Tories). The nation is under a coalition government between the Tories and the Liberal Democrats. Please fix this. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.47.150.42 (talk) 04:09, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Rockstar Energy Drink question

So yeah. I'm going to ask a really simple question here. And it needs an answer. Does the Savage (Weiner) family still gain finanically from Rockstar Energy Drink? --71.32.220.235 (talk) 06:40, 8 March 2011 (UTC)

Conspiracy theories and objectivity

He claims that he got where he is by hard work but he seems to think that isn't the case for the rest of the people in the media. He believes in groups like Bilderberg deciding who gets certain positions in public offices etc yet he doesn't seem to notice the excessive amount of Jewish radiohosts like himeself holding mainstream media positions. If you are looking for the truth Mr Savage aka Mr Weiner doesn't seem to be objective enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.29.57.215 (talk) 12:28, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Source? Sourcy, sourcy, sourcy? Evanh2008, Super Genius Who am I? You can talk to me... 03:17, 18 June 2011 (UTC)

If you are arguing that he's objective, google
"Michael Savage" OR "Michael Weiner" zionist OR zionism hate OR hatred
      I've never argued that Limbaugh nor ANY other Radio fear monger of any religion is a bigot. Not so here.
--68.127.84.95 (talk) 02:38, 28 August 2011 (UTC)Doug Bashford

I never said he was objective, but changing the article to say that he isn't would violate NPOV policy. Also, I'm not sure what's wrong with not being objective -- it's not his job to be objective. If you don't like what he says, that's fine (I certainly don't like most of it), but Wikipedia isn't the place for personal opinion. If you're going to continue taking part in talk page discussions, registering an account here would help us all out greatly. You are welcome to make all the constructive edits you feel motivated to. Evanh2008, Super Genius Who am I? You can talk to me... 03:53, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

You asked for a source for (in part); "If you are looking for the truth Mr Savage aka Mr Weiner doesn't seem to be objective enough." ...& it had a Jewish context. Done.

"registering an account here would help us all out greatly." How so? I'm a helpful guy.
--68.127.84.95 (talk) 12:44, 28 August 2011 (UTC)Doug Bashford

I did ask for a source, in a partially tongue-in-cheek fashion. Honestly, it wouldn't really matter if that sort of a statement was sourced or not, as the source would almost certainly not pass WP:RS. WP:OR and WP:POV are also relevant. The idea the he may or may not be objective is irrelevant. Commentators aren't objective -- it's their job not to be. Even if his objectivity (or lack thereof) WERE relevant to the article (which it isn't), adding it would violate neutral point-of-view policy, as I said in the last post. As to why I'd like you to register -- primarily because I'm still not sure if you're the guy who started this discussion (who was seemingly trolling talk pages asking about public figures' religious affiliation) posting under a different IP. Evanh2008, Super Genius Who am I? You can talk to me... 22:21, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

You want to know about me? Last time I did a Wiki search on my name, fewer than a dozen of my contributions showed up. If you see a problem there, (I don't,) I suggest talking to Wikipedia about upgrading their software. (But to Big Picture it, of the two of us, I'm not the one hiding my ID or world view.) I support Wiki's original world view & premises, and to that end I can be more helpful as a nonWikiClubber, —solving problems and abuses that you may never be exposed to while wearing your badge.
--68.127.84.95 (talk) 17:09, 29 August 2011 (UTC)Doug Bashford

Let's stay away from personal attacks, if we could. If you have something relevant to add to the discussion, I'm all ears. I would appreciate it if you let me know (in a yes/no format, preferably) whether or not you are the original starter of this discussion (IP 202.29.57.215). Evanh2008, Super Genius Who am I? You can talk to me... 01:21, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: move to Michael Savage. Favonian (talk) 12:19, 6 August 2011 (UTC)

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Michael Savage (commentator) → Michael Savage – Primary topic. Page views: commentator 30,259, New Zealand politician 1,536, Canada politician 297.Marcus Qwertyus 04:52, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

• Support: More than an order of magnitude more hits than competitors combined = WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. –CWenger (^ • @) 07:31, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
• Support The most-searched for "Michael Savage" by a long shot. The Interior (Talk) 18:40, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
• Support per nom. – Lionel ^(talk) 11:44, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Added to Lede: "Savage is also notable because": Barred from the UK.

A non-fugitive NATO citizen getting barred from setting foot in the UK is without a doubt one of Weiner's most notable accomplishments!

See Wikipedia:Manual of Style (lead section) "The lead serves both as an introduction to the article and as a summary of its most important aspects." "Provide an accessible overview" "It should define the topic, establish context, explain why the subject is interesting or notable, and summarize the most important points—including any prominent controversies. "

"Significant information should not appear in the lead if it is not covered in the remainder of the article." etc...

Added to lede section:

"Michael Savage is also notable because since 2009 he has been barred from entering the United Kingdom —for fostering extremism and hatred.[10][11][12][13] It is also notable that this was Britain's very "first list of people barred from entering the country." Savage was barred from Britain in part for "seeking to provoke others to serious criminal acts and fostering hatred..." (See below.) That ban remains in effect."

See also WP:BRD. Any major problems?
--68.127.84.95 (talk) 01:56, 28 August 2011 (UTC)Doug Bashford

Yes. I've fixed them. Evanh2008, Super Genius Who am I? You can talk to me... 04:03, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

The lede is in good working condition now. Let's not clutter it any further. Evanh2008, Super Genius Who am I? You can talk to me... 22:26, 28 August 2011 (UTC)