Talk:Monkey

Monkey as pets

This article appears to be written by a monkey owner or pet dealer, as it barely covers the biological aspects of the species, then they mildly warn of physical dangers of owning a monkey, followed by a blurb of success stories. Then, at the end, someone added the word "opinionated" to a reference that talked about the negatives of monkey ownership, when this is the view of veterinarians throughout the U.S. and Europe. No mention is made of the health hazards that monkeys pose, being able to carry AIDS, hepatitis, plus alot of our common disease, such as measles, etc., let alone the public health threat that can happen with an ebola outbreak (see The Hot Zone, and those were monkeys in a quarantined facility!). I think this article is a travesty, and agree with the previous poster that it should be deleted and completely rewrote by someone who does not endorse monkeys as pets.Do you not think so?

Thank you, John Edwards, DVM Audubon Center for the Research of Endangered Species New Orleans, LA

Given the concerns raised above, and since the section is entirely unreferenced and seemed to be unreasonably prominent in the article, I've moved the monkey as pets section here so it can be worked on (or disregarded) as appropriate. If we can develop something that looks good it can be moved back into the main body of the text. -- Siobhan Hansa 19:42, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

It's odd that it's been removed entirely without any reference left to monkeys as pets. A section on monkeys as pets can be included summary style if it gets too long. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pengo (talk • contribs) 01:36, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

new & old world

what is this silly thing about old and new worlds it is annoying 124.170.244.50 08:39, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

There is no one coherent group of animals called monkeys. Instead, there are two group of primates that are closely related. - UtherSRG (talk) 09:52, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

A pet monkey attacked a woman and aren't reccomended to have as pets. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.160.245.239 (talk) 01:04, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

"Highly sociable animals, monkeys are kept in many different environments"

What does this sentence (from the Monkeys in Captivity section) mean? What is it trying to say?

The best I can figure is that once it made a point, but someone removed enough POV to make it pointless. As it stands, it doesn't seem to say anything at all, certainly not about monkeys in captivity.

Are there objections to cutting it entirely, explanations for its presence, ideas on how to fix it?Gnfnrf 04:40, 31 August 2007 (UTC)

Monkey attacks

How-to guide on surviving them: Tsai, Michelle (2007-10-22). "How To Fight Monkeys: What should you do if you're surrounded by angry macaques?". Slate. http://www.slate.com/id/2176419/.  -- 67.98.206.2 18:53, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Interesting, but it doesn't make sense to include a section on monkey attacks or there would have to be a similar section in every other animal page. There already is a page Organisms that are dangerous to humans that has a list like this - although monkeys aren't on it.Bob98133 19:21, 24 October 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a how-to guide. (wikibooks is for that), but it would be worth mentioning that monkey attacks do occur. —Pengo 01:27, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Fix Map

Somebody please improve the map showing distribution of monkeys there are morocan monkeys it does not show the Barbary Macaque. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zaharous (talk • contribs)

If you can find the date, we can add it to the map. As it is, the map contains the data that we know. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC)

Zaharous is correct, this is the range map of the Barbary Macaque. The map should be updated accordingly. Jack (talk) 12:19, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

did you also know this includes our friend aarsh the monkey

i thinks that he and other monkey friends (even though he has no monkey friends except an urrangutan who he likes. LOVE ) have no balls —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.237.33.148 (talk) 01:42, 21 November 2010 (UTC)

Is this correct?

"Calling apes "monkeys" is incorrect. Calling either a simian is correct."

I thought that in the Cladistics sense that apes are monkeys? Woland37 (talk) 18:22, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

You are incorrect. Cladistically, the three groups are simians. Simian = New World monkeys + (Old World monkeys + apes). - UtherSRG (talk) 22:04, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah, I see now. Thank you very much. Woland37 (talk) 18:45, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

I have to disagree. Excluding apes from monkeys is blatant paraphyly - people have been drawn and quartered for lesser crimes. Old world monkeys are more closely related to apes than to new world monkeys. I know that in popular science it's common to distinguish monkeys and apes (probably because humans don't like being compared to monkeys), but from a scientific point of view, apes are monkeys. Edit: as I understand, this page is protected. If the adminstrators want me to, I'd be glad to write a carification note on this point. Toitoine (talk) 21:11, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

It's not just humans who hate it. Try signing "You're a monkey" to Coco.Arlesd (talk) 23:33, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

With whom are you disagreeing? It seems like you are saying exactly what I said: Simiin = New World monkey + (Old World monkey + ape) - UtherSRG (talk) 22:53, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

if you use the distinction new world monkey and old world monkey, it may be true (although I have to check recent molecular phylogenies. I'll try to do it soon). But if you lump the two together in monkeys, then you have to include apes in this clade.Toitoine (talk) 00:13, 13 August 2008 (UTC)

It seems we're all in agreement that apes should be included in the monkey clade, as there is only a traditional bias to exclude them. So why does the main page still show that exclusion? Of course since humans are now recognized as apes, that would mean we're monkeys too. But I'm OK with that, as I've been associated with much worse. Aron-Ra (talk) 18:08, 9 April 2009 (UTC)

You cannot scientifically call an old world monkey a monkey without also grouping humans and other apes into that classification because they are much more closely related to old world monkeys then new world monkeys are to old world monkeys. Unless you want to say, " monkey is a non-scientific term for any cercopithecoid (Old World monkey) or platyrrhine (New World monkey) primate. All primates that are not prosimians (lemurs and tarsiers) or apes are monkeys" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.133.139.5 (talk) 15:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Sorry to bring up this (now expired-ish) subject again, but for any people who are passing by, primates' evolutionary history regarding the splits between Old World monkeys, New World, apes, and humans is at yet unknown. The most commonly accepted view is that New World monkeys split with the Old World monkey's, and apes (and the later humans) split from that.

Just in case anyone passing by needs clarification or something. Meh.

7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( _t / _c) 04:48, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

monkeys in relation to humans?

I prefered the older Monkeys in Captivity heading. It's hard to determine what the moneky's relationship might be with an animal experimenter who might be sacrificing the monkey. Phrased as a relationship makes it appear as if the monkeys have entered into these agreements voluntarily whereas they are functions of being captive. Perhaps this should be a separate section, since there are instances where monkeys do interact with humans - frequently in Asia and India - but using a wild animal as a pet, service animal or laboratory subject has more to do with captivity than relationships. Really, this is a Humans in relation to monkeys section. Bob98133 (talk) 16:11, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I think the evolutionary relationship of monkeys to humans should be discussed here.Miska1 (talk) 00:54, 1 September 2008 (UTC)

New section

Don't you think that this article could use a few new sections? I think a section about monkeys in popular culture could be a good section. Like jack the monkry in POTC would be a good one to add. Excitinginterception7 (talk) 20:39, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

Trivia sections, which a "in popular culture" section would be, are discouraged. So no, please do not add one. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:51, 7 February 2008 (UTC)

well, i guess you can! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.130.141.158 (talk) 00:59, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. A section about monkeys in pop culture would be trivial and looked down upon. I wouldn’t bother adding one.--DavidD4scnrt (talk) 20:32, 27 April 2008 (UTC) i beeleeve we shud make monkees and apes the same cuz they r and sientifik reseersh shows that thay r and if siense says it then so shud we -confucious — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.58.17.65 (talk) 05:12, 18 November 2011 (UTC)

Video

I added this only video:

• Video: Born to be Wild: Unggoy, 06/05/2008--Florentino floro (talk) 07:31, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I deleted this video. Apart from it not being in English, it appeared to only show a man speaking endlessly to a caged monkey. Was there a point to posting this? How does it help the article? Bob98133 (talk) 12:54, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

I didn't know we could add videos to wikipedia articles. Gottoupload (talk) 00:44, 18 February 2009 (UTC)

Misc Comments Moved from Above

dogs== How do I flag it up for a major rewrite? (I'd try, but I think a primatologist should get involved) It's the sort of niff-naff and trivia that devalues the entire Wikipedia project: there are 599 words on what monkeys actually are, followed by a strange section on monkeys as pets (558 words), some stuff about animal testing (complete with carefully selected emotive picture) and a completely random section on the eating of monkeys which could be an interesting discussion on bushmeat, but instead tells us that the chines don't eat monkey brains, Islamic dietary laws forbid monkey-eating and aids may have been transmitted to humans by eating monkeys (unless the monkeys were eaten raw this seems unlikely.)

After that we have the bane of wikipedia: the trivia section, here disguised as "monkeys in literature". The extent of "monkeys are the main source of drug dealers in new york city in literature" appears to be that a monkey is a character in a chinese novel, Hanuman is a monkey-like Hindu god (true, but is that literature?). Monkey from the TV series Monkey was a monkey (deliberate repition to indicate the redundancy of the statement, as was Curious George). The triviaists favourite Terry Pratchett makes an appearance. And then there is a misplaced statement about mandrills. And something about the chinese zodiac.

hey —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.184.47.60 (talk) 20:48, 11 September 2008 (UTC)

The links section is equally poor (two antivivisection sites, a thing about pet monkeys and a helping hands site). The only two sourced statements are a food article in the guardian claiming that chinese people don't appear to eat monkey brains and a biblical vegetarian site is used for a source for the SIV-HIV claim.

Proposed restructure:

Monkeys and their relationship to people is a valid topic, but is the keeping of pets the most important element?

 1.0 Characteristics
 2.0 Name
 3.0 Classification
 4.0 Monkeys and humans
 4.1 Monkeys in science (present NPOV of animal testing) 
    4.1.1 Theories of relationship between SIV/HIV and possible transmission (may simply link to relevant page)
 4.2 As food (must discuss bushmeat or the article is pointless)
 4.3 As Pets
 4.4 Etc  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.39.84.3 (talk) 04:34, 28 August 2008 (UTC) 

The trivialists will have to start their own page for "Monkeys in Popular Culture" - there's an argument for discussing monkeys and religion say, but making this a list of monkeys in books and films is the sort f thing that Wikipedia can do without

If you want to see what I mean about the difference between an uncontrolled random page like monkey compare with the entry for ape

They're adaptation is their tale.

Jim68000 22:10, 24 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree, one of the worst Wikipedia pages I have seen. Mwinog2777 05:39, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I also agree. In response to Jim68000's initial question, to flag it for rewrite I would add both the templates { { cleanup-rewrite } } and { { Expert-subject|Primates } } to the top of the article. I'd do it myself, but I apparently haven't had my account long enough. Bloody semi-protection policy. Gitman 21:18, 16 February 2007 (UTC)

Okay, templates have been added. Gitman 18:28, 21 February 2007 (UTC)

I fully agree that this page is unworthy of Wikipedia. Such an important family of biological organisms deserves a good strong article not one that begins lecturing people about religion. My 12 year old came across this when doing an essay and even she flagged it as incomplete and tending to go off in needless tangents. Why on earth does such drivel merit the special treatement of being exempt from editing. The whole entry should be trashed and someone else start from scratch.

It's protected because it gets vandalized often. Instead of complaining, work on possible edits on the talk page, and I or another admin will make the change or unprotect it. BTW: "monkey" isn't a biological family. It's two related groups containing many families. That information is in the very first paragraph of the article. If you want good information, go to those articles. - UtherSRG (talk) 19:55, 1 May 2007 (UTC)

Note

For anyone interested, there's a List of fictional monkeys article; can replace a possible Monkeys in popular culture section (or article), I guess. This article could link to it somewhere...

7h3 0N3 7h3 \/4Nl)4L5 Pl-l34R ( _t / _c) 04:54, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Resources

Since this article is being reviewed by Wikipedia Spotlight I have been looking for resources about monkeys.

• 2 Page article by world book. pastebin
• 3 Page article in compton's Britannica Pastebin
• Rice, Stanley A. "primates." Encyclopedia of Evolution. New York: Facts On File, Inc., 2006. Science Online.
• [1] - about the features of a monkey and it's life
• [2] about the physical characteristics of monkeys
• [3] general info
• [4] a general resource about types of primates (including monkeys)
• The Natural History of Monkeys By William Jardine, William Jardine Sir [5]'
• The Monkey Puzzle: Reshaping the Evolutionary Tree by John R Gribben Details the path of human evolution as viewed by traditional Darwinian theory and by the new radical theory based on recent findings in the field of genetics, with controversial conclusions.
• Ankel-Simons, Friderun. Primate Anatomy. 3rd ed. Academic Pr., 1999. It describes their bio-geographical information and provides crucial data pertaining to their body size, fur coloration external distinguishing features, habitat and basic life strategies
• Nowak, Ronald M., ed. Walker's Primates of the World. Johns Hopkins, 1999. includes scientific and common names, the number and distribution of species, measurements and physical traits, habitat, daily and seasonal activity, population dynamics, home range, social life, reproduction, longevity, and status of threatened species
• Rowe, Noel. The Pictorial Guide to the Living Primates. Pogonias, 1996. guide to the 234 currently recognized primate species with over 500 color photographs and 20 illustrations
• Shumaker, Robert W., and Beck, B. B. Primates in Question: The Smithsonian Answer Book. Smithsonian Institution, 2003. Shumaker and Beck, both of the Smithsonian's National Zoological Park, answer frequently asked questions they receive about primates

Irunongames • play 14:03, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

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Spotlight has stared to edit this article. You can join by clicking here: #wikipedia-spotlight or get instant access click here--Cubs197 (talk) 03:45, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

The article desperately needs sections on evolution and fossil history (or similar) (maybe give a reason why the monkey group is not monophyletic), behaviour, habitat and distribution and conservation. The 'Relationship with humans' section needs to be harshly trimmed and multiple subheadings should be merged together. This is the article format WP:PRIM uses. I wish I could be of help now but I'm off on holiday tomorrow. Good luck all! Jack (talk) 00:24, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

Monkey Image

Picture

I have a very good quality and engaging picture of a monkey eating. Can anybody id and incorporate it in the article? --Muhammad(talk) 13:15, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Nice pic. I have asked on Wikipedia:Reference desk/Science#Species of monkey.  Chzz  ►  13:57, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Very nice pic indeed  Burningview  ✉ 14:35, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Sorry burning, I accidentally hit the rollback button on your addition of this comment when looking through my watchlist. Has been restored obviously. cheers.--Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 14:58, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

According to vervet.za.org. its a crab eating macaque. Since its my image, I am afraid of adding it to the article so if anyone wishes to do so, would appreciate it. --Muhammad(talk) 17:23, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

Taxon.

I have also asked a question here regarding monkeys being Taxa.--Gordonrox24 | ^Talk 18:24, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

The only relationship to the taxonomy is as part of common names, it is has a poor concordance with primate systematics. I googled "monkey taxon" and this was the first result WikiAnswers - What is the taxon for monkey, note the first part "I have a problem with the question". Monkey is a common name that may refer an individual, any arbitrary group, and a barrel of taxa; no reliable source treats it as a scientific classification, paraphyletic group, or taxon. As an 'artificial group' in the order Primates, it is those who happened to called 'monkey' and not "lemurs, the Aye-aye, lorisids, galagos, tarsiers, apes, [or] great apes" etc. The loose term obviously has widespread application, deriving from various cultural conceptions, and it is used in english common names or terms without any systematic description. The article Philippine Tarsier(Tarsius syrichta) asserts it is described 'locally' as the smallest monkey or primate, and that it is neither; they are entitled to call it a monkey and it is in fact a primate. Popular sources may quibble about usage, with headlines and hooks like "smallest monkeys are not actually monkeys" for their factoids; this article should talk about how the name is used, it is very misleading to present it as a scientific description. cygnis insignis 15:22, 22 August 2009 (UTC)

I don't think anyone is arguing here over whether or not monkey is a taxon, because it clearly is not. The article itself states this in the second paragraph of the Etymology section: The term '"monkey" is an artificial grouping; it is not a taxon. There is no "monkey" family or order; in fact, the group consists of the combination of two seperate taxa:Cercopithecidae, a family, and Platyrrhini, a parvorder. When we combine these two taxa, we produce a group that we call "monkeys". Cladistically, this grouping is a paraphyletic group, which the infobox that we were using in the article, {{paraphyletic group}}, is all about.

The statement that monkeys are a paraphyletic group is sourced by RS, see Dawkins, Richard (2004), The ancestor's tale: a pilgrimage to the dawn of evolution, Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, p. 140, ISBN 9780618005833 , which is used in this article. While it is true that the colloquial usage of "monkey" sometimes refers to any ape, we should be using the actual scientific definition of the word. In the example you cited above, the Philippine Tarsier, it is clear that taxonomically this is not a monkey. In fact, there are many examples of species or groups where the common name includes something that the organism is not actually a part of. For example, panda bears are not actual bears, nor are dragonflies actual flies. While some people may claim that they are, Philippine Tarsiers are not actual monkeys, and that does not give us the right to say that the group "monkey" is not clearly defined. E.g., a large percentage of the population uses "bug" to refer to any insect, while this is not true scientifically; this does not give us the right to claim that the group Insecta is not clearly defined.

The reason we are using this infobox in the article is that it explains what monkeys are cladistically, and provides a general structure for the introduction of the article. The infobox explains that, out of the families found in Simiiformes, monkeys consist of the Callitrichidae, Cebidae, Aotidae, Pitheciidae, Atelidae, and Cercopithecidae; they do not consist of Hylobatidae, nor Hominidae. This appears to be accurate, is it not? I am no expert on primates (I focus onarthropods, usually), so I could very well be wrong here, and the cladistic group "monkey" may not consist of the families mentioned above. However, the research I have done has indicated that this is accurate. I would appreciate it if you could clarify further why you feel that either monkeys are not a paraphyletic group, or why you feel that the {{paraphyletic group}} infobox is not appropriate. Perhaps we should follow Nimur's suggestionand put two infoboxes on the article – one for Cercopithecidae, and one for Platyrrhini – but this may make it too messy. Thanks, The Earwig (Talk | Contribs) 03:30, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Nitpick - pandas are bears. Did you mean koalas? Sabine's Sunbird talk 04:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

I have asked the contributor of the Dawkin's citation to explain the context and give a quote. cygnis insignis 09:03, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

And I have now provided a convenience link. I note, also, that you have again removed the box, despite this ongoing discussion. I'm going to drop the stick here, as I think this is a pointless argument; 'monkey' is not a precisely determined term, it is not a scientific classification. I believed that the explanation I had written clarified 'paraphyletic' at a reasonable level, and that the infobox provided useful information. I would of course have no objections to your adding further clear, well-explained detail with references - what I object to is your removing the work of others (which is referenced). Anyway, as I say, I'm moving along. Good luck with the article.  Chzz  ►  10:09, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

The page is not accessible to me, is the gist of it something like "'monkey' is not a precisely determined term, it is not a scientific classification"? If it does, many of the assertions on this page are falsified and the discussion and contributions were 'pointless'. And the answer is not to put two taxoboxes here, it is to clearly present facts in articles. cygnis insignis 10:41, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Spotlight is done

Sorry, but spotlight hasn't done much to this article, and we are moving on. We may or may not come back to this article to try again.--Cubs197 (talk) 00:06, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

Monkeys are smarter?

The introduction has the comment, "Monkeys are usually smarter and/or longer-tailed than apes." Not only is this poorly written, but it's also tough to believe. Does anyone have a source to back this comment up? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.150.202.201 (talk) 00:11, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

This has been fixed. Thank you for pointing it out. –Visionholder (talk) 11:34, 4 September 2009 (UTC)

I'm no expert on monkeys or apes, but I think that this was only half-fixed. I agree with your change to "generally considered to be more intelligent" but my understanding is that apes lack tails, so saying that monkeys have "longer tails than apes" is odd, like saying they have more arms than snakes. I think it should be changed to "generally have tails" since there are some monkeys who do not have tails, but no apes who do. Bob98133 (talk) 13:09, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

You are right. I think I have fixed this now. Rlendog (talk) 13:28, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

Sorry, but was reading about primate anatomy when I made the fix, so I was thinking about caudal vertebrate. Consequently, I only fixed the intelligence remark. Thanks for pointing out what I obviously missed. Otherwise, good fix. –Visionholder (talk) 16:52, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

typo in locked first section

"Monkeys are generally considered to be intelligent and, unlike ape, monkeys usually have tails." Should be "Monkeys are generally considered to be intelligent and, unlike apes, monkeys usually have tails." Number agreement issue. Randomundergrad (talk)

Fixed. Thanks for catching it! –Visionholder (talk) 18:07, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Monkeys as food

Monkey brains are not a delicacy in South Asia. This MSNBC article references one line in a cookbook, and I don't think that meets Wikipedia's standards of evidence. You might as well cite Indiana Jones. This is insulting. Gnomewrestler (talk) 16:58, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

Have you look at Monkey brains (cuisine)? Looie496 (talk) 17:14, 8 January 2010 (UTC)

forget anything that other people tell you about these wonderful creatures. Monkeys are truly amazing and they are only a rasist term if you let it be. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.32.229.160 (talk) 20:26, 13 February 2010 (UTC)

Missing language

I request editing in order to add the Haitian creole equivalent to the list of languages in the left-side column. RajkiandrisRajkiandris (talk) 06:27, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

If you add here the line you want in the article, I'll copy it to there. Or you can a day and do it yourself, whichever you prefer. (The article is semi-protected, meaning accounts need to be four days old and have at least 10 total edits to be able to modify it.) Regards, Looie496 (talk) 21:29, 19 February 2010 (UTC)

Collective nouns

According to [[6]], there are four terms for a group of monkeys; 'troop, barrel, tribe, cartload' instead of two that this article states —Preceding unsigned comment added by Metallhue (talk • contribs) 17:25, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Find a real reference if you can. Barrel and cartload are not terms generally used for a group of monkeys. Bob98133 (talk) 13:23, 20 June 2010 (UTC)

"barrel of monkeys" is a colloquialism, usually used in a phrase such as "more fun than a ..."--Richardson mcphillips (talk) 03:18, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Simpler definition

Wouldn't it be more concise to describe monkeys as "any simian that is not an ape"? I don't see why we go to the trouble of saying they are apes 'excluding prosimians' since if you are an ape that is not a prosimian it makes you a simian right? Or am I misunderstanding this? -PAN (talk) 16:49, 11 July 2010 (UTC)but

Yes, but many people will not know what is included and excluded in the set "simian".Ordinary Person (talk) 14:21, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Prosimians

Previously, the intro said "prosimians (lemurs and tarsiers)". Prosimians include aye ayes and lorises and various groups other than lemurs and tarsiers, so I took out the parenthesized phrase.Ordinary Person (talk) 14:21, 22 September 2010 (UTC)

Naruto reference

This information seems inappropriately placed. In other articles, this sort of entry would appear at the end, in the standard "In popular culture" heading. Its actual contribution to this article, however, is negligible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.195.208.254 (talk) 04:59, 29 November 2010 (UTC)

Etymology italian female ape?

monna doesn't mean "female ape" (figure out a "monna lisa":), it just mean "woman" or "my lady" (as the reference says) Martinowiki (talk) 17:15, 17 February 2011 (UTC)

Question

Sorry, if this is not the best place to ask this question. Can anyone tell me what kind of monkey this is? --Phagopsych (talk) 22:00, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

"as food"

the brief paragraph "monkeys as food" says they are forbidden by Islamic dietary laws, but the article linked through does not mention this. Is there a source? --Richardson mcphillips (talk) 03:16, 9 December 2011 (UTC)