Talk:Crown Prince Naruhito

Regent?

Hadn't Naruhito served as Prince-Regent, sometime in 2003 during Emperor Akihito's surgery-recovery from cancer? GoodDay 16:19, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

request for cleanup

Am I the only one to notice that all these royal monarch pages are exactly the same? Its like someone just cut and pasted the same stuff from Prince Charles to Prince Naruhito, changing some names. I mean, even where it talks about marriage and their weddings, its exactly the same!

yes, it' obviously paste .. this page require cleanup --Melaen 18:14, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Is there any evidence that Constantine II of Greece is a "close personal friend of the imperial family" as mentioned in the marriage section. That area has been lifted directly from Charles and should be rewritten by someone with knowledge of the subjects involved. Prsgoddess187 21:12, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

Picture?

Hey, is it just me, or is it strange that Prince Akishino has a picture displayed and Crown Prince Naruhito doesn't? Do you think one should be put in? --clevomon 5:27, 3 April 2006

I agree, I think there was one before. Could someone please provide a picture? Jamandell (d69) 16:32, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

There must be a better picture somewhere, that reminds me of the picture of Lost's Alvar Hanso! I'll have a look. Ghostreveries 09:58, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Thanks, the current pic is ridiculous. Jamandell (d69) 22:57, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

Actually, I rather like the picture. --Swift 06:50, 9 July 2007 (UTC)

The picture stinks (his face is obscured by a shadow), looks similiar to the cover of Stephen Brunt's book Facing Ali. GoodDay 19:38, 28 October 2007 (UTC)

It's horrible indeed. --Saintjust (talk) 23:22, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Ah hah, it's been replaced, great. GoodDay (talk) 22:05, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was moved to Crown Prince Naruhito. "Naruhito" is unlikely to be confused with other subjects, so the disambiguation is unnecessary. –Juliancolton | ^Talk 15:01, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

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Naruhito, Crown Prince of Japan → Crown Prince Naruhito — He is generally referred to as "Crown Prince Naruhito" in the English-language media,[1] and there is no obvious reason why Wiki should use a different style. "of [country]" is a wiki style to disambiguate the names of European kings. There is no need to do this for Japanese names as they are distinctive to Japan. Dead tree encyclopedias put the given name first so names can be alphabetized, but that is not an issue on Wikipedia. Notice that it is Pope John Paul II and Crown Princess Masako. Kauffner (talk) 10:43, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

• Support. There doesn't seem to be a fixed standard for article titles Japanese royalty but none save this one use "Japan" in the title. See Category:Japanese princesses and Category:Japanese princes for examples. Note the recent similar discussion and move of Crown Princess Masako at Talk:Crown Princess Masako. — AjaxSmack 02:18, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

• Comment Royals with substantive titles such as in this case always have their title after their name per WP:NCNT. He is referred to as the Crown Prince of Japan or the the Crown Prince on the official website of the Imperial Household agency.[2][3] - dwc lr (talk) 18:13, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

• WP:NCNT doesn't apply here. It says "East Asian monarchs are discussed at...Wikipedia:Manual of Style (Japan-related articles)..." You'll notice that in the first linked source you give (where he is referred to as "Crown Prince of Japan"), the name "Naruhito" doesn't appear anywhere on the page so the "of Japan" is necessary.[4] However, on the second linked source you give (where he is referred to as "Crown Prince"), his name "Naruhito" appears and the "of Japan" doesn't.[5] Since the Wikipedia article is to be at "XXX Naruhito" or "Naruhito XXX," the "of Japan" would be redundant here just as it is in the second source. — AjaxSmack 00:37, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

• He is The Crown Prince of Japan and that is the correct style and not Crown Prince Naruhito. Individuals with substantive titles articles are always named “Name, Title of Place”, hence Charles, Prince of Wales or Felipe, Prince of Asturias, for example even if they may be called Prince Charles (instead of The Prince of Wales) or Prince Felipe (instead of The Prince of Asturias). In this case his name is Naruhito and his title is Crown Prince of Japan, hence Naruhito, Crown Prince of Japan is the best you will get, neither his name nor “of Japan” is redundant. - dwc lr (talk) 00:57, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

• For European nobility you would be 100% correct, but we're talking about a Japanese noble, here.
  — V = I * R (talk) 01:12, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

• Yes and I don't see how in this instance it would differ between European, Japanese, African etc, Crown Prince of Japan is still a substantive title is it not. - dwc lr (talk) 01:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

• The reason "Prince of Wales" is included in Charles' article title is because his official style is "The Prince Charles, Prince of Wales". There was a vote and the consensus was that this two-prince style was awkward, so the first prince was arbitrarily cut.[6] Thus there is no precident for a general "name, title of place" style for crown princes. The long-form version of Naruhito's title is "His Imperial Highness the Crown Prince".[7] -- no "of Japan" in it. Kauffner (talk) 01:54, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

• The main issue is that it's extremely unlikely that "Naruhito" will collide with another article, which calls into question the need for any disambiguation (the "of Japan" portion). The primary reason that European nobility needs to use the "of [country]" disambiguator is because many noble families (somewhat intentionally) used and reused the same names. Once that DAB text is removed, changing the order of "Crown Prince" to "Naruhito" is simply a matter of grammar, giving "Crown Prince Naruhito". More importantly though, WP:UCN applies, and to restate what is in the proposal "there is no obvious reason why Wiki should use a different style." here.
  — V = I * R (talk) 01:56, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

• If "of Japan" is not part of the title, if the title is just Crown Prince not Crown Prince of Japan then fair enough, but if the official title is Crown Prince of Japan that should be used. - dwc lr (talk) 13:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

• In the current title does not look awkward in this case as we are not saying Prince Naruhito, Crown Prince of Japan. That looks like a short form to me, is there a reference somewhere where it says that the title is only Crown Prince and not Crown Prince of Japan? - dwc lr (talk) 13:30, 21 August 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose it should include Japan. All of these individuals, whereever they hail from should have that (or whatever the jurisdiction is if not Japan) 76.66.192.144 (talk) 04:10, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
  • Why? Is there any confusion with a Naruhito from another country? — AjaxSmack 01:49, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

• Support — unnecessary disambiguation.
  — V = I * R (talk) 06:57, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose styled The Crown Prince of Japan so current article name is correct form. - dwc lr (talk) 17:59, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

• Support per Kauffner and Ajax. Exploding Boy (talk) 18:03, 20 August 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

left to KSA to learn more. But now he and his little sister Yuki Masako are about to go complete the EBS

These terms are obscure. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.103.145 (talk) 17:59, 30 July 2010 (UTC)

meaning of name?

Does anyone know the meaning of his name Naruhito? Would be interesting to elaborate a little on that. Gryffindor (talk) 16:56, 14 October 2010 (UTC)