Talk:Secession in New York

Title

I don't think the page move was such a good idea, so I've moved it back to the original title. "New York City secession" is basically what the movement is called in a contemporary context. It implies a political position rather than a description of fact.--Pharos 23:52, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Pharos, there actually is a large desire among many in upstate New York to have their own state as well. Many large upstate papers will take a long look at this issue from time to time, for example. Contrary to your assumption, downstaters are not the only ones upset with the current situation.

• Can you point me to a few sources for this? For example, some of these editorials. I've never heard of any Upstate politicians supporting secession, for example, though nearly half of the New York City Council supported it, however symbolically.--Pharos 17:43, 19 July 2005 (UTC)

The Post Standard of Syracuse took a look at this issue about a decade ago. Looking through Google, here's an example of an upstate, Republican assemblyman who sponsored legislation to allow the voters to decide about splitting the two states: Daily Star:Split Vote. The Gothan Gazette goes into those in favor of splitting the two regions in upstate New York: Gotham Gazette Article Also, I found this article helpful in talking about upstate efforts to split the state: Bill Kauffman

Vallone bill

Does the Peter Vallone bill call for a referendum on a secession from New York or from the USA? It's not clear from the article. --Jfruh 21:52, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

It is not clear from the text of the bill, either. Vallone's introduction calls for the "creation of a commission to determine whether it would be feasible for the city of New York to separate from the state of New York and to establish a state, or any other entity that such commission shall deem appropriate, of Greater New York." In either case, any secession would require a referendum, the consent of the state legislature and the consent of Congress, which, in my opinion, is an unlikely confluence of events.

Sorry for not replying way earlier, but I believe in political context (and public statements at the time this was first raised) it is quite clear that the Vallone bill was calling for secession from Albany, not Washington.--Pharos 02:41, 4 September 2007 (UTC)

To add to Wikisource

Mayor Fernando Wood's speech. Also, George Fitzhugh's February 1861 article as reprinted in Empire City: New York Through the Centuries, pg. 268.--Pharos 23:53, 17 October 2007 (UTC)

To be consulted in future

Philip Foner's Business & Slavery: The New York Merchants & the Irrepressible Conflict, which discusses John Forsyth, Jr.'s letter to Jeff Davis on the subject.--Pharos 01:09, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

Move?

Might a better title for this article be "Secession in New York State"? -- Fifty7 (talk) 22:09, 29 October 2008 (UTC)

Or better, simpler, "Secession in New York" to incorporate SI separatists? Jim.henderson (talk) 18:55, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Excise Public Policy Institute of New York State citation

I think that the citation should be removed. The quotation states that secession would be impossible, but the article itself gives no reasoning as to why this is the case. Surely there are works out there that give substantive reasons for or against secession. It is biased to include such a citation because it gives credence to one view on the subject. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.114.214.109 (talk) 15:44, 12 August 2010 (UTC)