Talk:New Zealand Labour Party

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Color		Shading	Shortname
	#FF0000	#FFBAA8	Labour

"non-native"

Question: It describes the leadership as mostly "non-native". What does "non-native" mean in this context?

Replaced "non-New-Zealand-born" with "British colonial immigrants". Also added Maori before Ratana

Technically there are no native New Zealanders, the oldest immigrants (Maori) all acknowledge that they migrated to New Zealand in their oral histories. They are the "First Peoples" in New Zealand. Hope this clarifies the issue. kiwiinapanic 10:50 Jan 29, 2003 (UTC)

The term indigenous people is a better term to describe the Maori people. -- Greaser 01:37, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

• I'd have to disagree with you kiwiinapanic, Tuhoe whakapapa to the land and the mist and have no migration stories according to their oral histories. Kia ora! Atutahi (talk) 09:18, 6 September 2008 (UTC)

Caucus listing

Would this be better split out into a separate article? It's certainly good information to have, but it overbalances the rest of the article, and every three years or less it will change significantly. I'd suggest splitting it into Labour Party caucus in the 48th New Zealand Parliament or similar, with links from this article and from 48th New Zealand Parliament. With such a title it becomes a permanent record. Similar caucus listings for the other major parties should be treated in the same way.-gadfium 22:53, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

There is a copy of the caucus sections of each NZ party at New Zealand Parliamentary Caucuses and MPs' responsibilities. I'll move this discussion to its talk page.-gadfium 03:36, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:DavidLange.jpg

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:New Zealand Labour Party/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review. I have quick failed this article for a near-total lack of sources. Almost nothing below the intro is sourced, which is a no-no, especially with potentially controversial content of this sort. Ten Pound Hammer and his otters • ^{(Broken clamshells•Otter chirps)} 01:16, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick response. So, time to get some books out of the library and start adding page refs to every line of the article. IdiotSavant (talk) 01:25, 2 June 2008 (UTC)

Policies

This page would benefit from a section about the party's policies as with the pages for other parties New_Zealand_First, New_Zealand_National_Party, Green_Party_of_Aotearoa_New_Zealand etc. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Drnonsense (talk • contribs) 08:55, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Labour logo

The logo you are using is a website banner. The official logo (as in, registered with the Electoral Commission on their register is much simpler. I suggest you change it. Further, Labour also has the website www.labour08.co.nz for their 2008 campaign. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.211.78.236 (talk) 22:45, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

That makes sense, I've replaced the logo and added the link to the campaign website.--Sir Anon (talk) 23:21, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

Helen Clark: Stood down.

Edit? If so, please place maybe a current event type tag? PoinDexta1 | Talk to Me | 10:34, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

Labour Party Leadership

There is some dispute as to when Harry Holland assumed leadership of the Labour Party and this, in turn caused confusion as to when Helen Clark passed his record of longest serving Labour leader. The figures below show that Clark passed Holland's maximum possible term on 26 October 2008, and had passed his minimum term on 8 Feb. 2008.

The beginning of Holland's leadership is given variously as from the death of Alfred Hindmarsh (13 Nov. 1918) or upon his election as "chairman" of the party in August 1919..

Harry Holland's	&1000000000000001400000014 years, &1000000000000006800000068 days	minimum term,	1 Aug. 1919 - 8 Oct. 1933
Harry Holland's	&1000000000000001400000014 years, &10000000000000329000000329 days	maximum term,	13 Nov. 1918 - 8 Oct. 1933
Helen Clark's	&1000000000000001400000014 years, &10000000000000346000000346 days	term,	1 Dec. 1993 - 11 Nov. 2008

Fanx (talk) 21:10, 11 November 2008 (UTC)

Red Alert

I think their should be a section on the labour party blog: (blog.labour.org.nz). As I am currently blocked from commenting I shall remove myself from the writing of this section per WP:Conflict of interest (just in case anyone thinks I'm not neutral) Anyone agree and wants to do it?? kiwiteen123 (talk) 06:45, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

I agree the blog should be added, and would be most appropriate in the external links section.

I trust you to be neutral in editing articles, even though you declare support for another party on your user page. You could look for other blogs by political parties - some are listed at New Zealand blogosphere - and make sure all such political party articles have suitable links.-gadfium 18:27, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:New Zealand Labour Party/GA2. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Steve Smith (talk) 00:22, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

I am baffled: in June 2008 this article was quick-failed for "a near-total lack of sources", with the reviewer noting that "almost nothing below the intro is sourced". Here we are, seventeen months later, and it's back up for GA status, and I am again failing it for a near-total lack of sources, noting that almost nothing below the intro is sourced. There's a lot to like about this article - the information is engaging and it's generally quite well-organized - but the good article criteria (to say nothing of the verifiability policy) are quite clear on this.

Because I am quick failing the article, I am not going to review this with my usual level of detail, but I noticed a few things besides the references that you'll want to address before blue-linking Talk:New Zealand Labour Party/GA3:

• I do not believe that File:NewZealandLabourPartyOldLogo.png and File:Labour logo.png pass our non-free content criteria (specifically, criterion 8 in both cases and criterion 3a in the second).
• The article is strong on the party's history, but includes virtually nothing about its present situation and policies. I note that the creation of a "policy" section was suggested on the talk page in September 2008; I would echo that suggestion.
• The section headings, and to a lesser extent the sections themselves, are biased towards the party's time in government, when its history also includes large chunks of time spent in opposition. These should be given their due weight.
• The lead does not summarize the article as required by WP:LEAD.

Again, this is not a bad article (at a glance, the prose looks far better than for most Good Article nominees), but I really have no choice but to quick fail it. Sorry. Steve Smith (talk) 00:22, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Deputy leaders

The article contains a list of party leaders. I suggest that a list of deputy leaders be added, too. Alternatively, leaders and deputy leaders could become a standalone article. Helen Clark was deputy leader 1990–93 and her predecessor is missing from the succession box. Schwede66 06:59, 17 November 2010 (UTC)

New MPs

If things go the way the opinion polls predict it, the Labour Party will have a number of new MPs in the 50th New Zealand Parliament. The NZ politics task force has decided that the creation of biographies prior to the election can be assisted in the project space. Wikipedians with an interest in possible new MPs are most welcome to work on those draft biographies, which can be found here. Please note the rules that are listed on that page. Happy editing! And if you have questions on how to go about it, simply post on an article's talk page, and somebody with more experience will come and help. Schwede66 04:40, 27 October 2011 (UTC)

If anybody is interested in contributing to new MP pages, this collaboration might interest you. Hurry – this must be finished by this Friday. Schwede66 19:43, 29 November 2011 (UTC)