Talk:Old Persian language
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[edit] What is meant by "Persid"?
- Old Persian is the oldest attested Persid language.
It's not clear since the target of the wikilink doesn't give a definition.--Imz 19:59, 21 April 2006 (UTC)
- "Persid" is an archaic term. Iranian is the prefer term in contemporary historical linguistics. The use of "Persid" is similar to the use of "Indic" as a linguistic designation for Indo-Aryan, eg. "Vedic is the oldest attested Indic language". Although "Indic" now refers to things "Indian" as well. I suppose "Persianate" would be the closest in terms of descriptors for Iranian. Sarayuparin 10:02, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Wrong dates?
the chart says 300BC but old Persian was first written by 550BC, not? Cpom 20:55, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
- See discussion at Talk:History of the Persian language. –jonsafari 21:31, 27 October 2006 (UTC)
[edit] Consonants mixed up @ Phonology section
Three consonants (c [c], ç [ç] and j [ɟ]) seem to be mixed up by the creator of the WikiTable @ the Phonology section. While it is true that standard IPA "[ç]" is a voiceless consonant, it is a spirant (fricative) unlike all other consonants in this column and the other two are even more suspicious as c [c] [in the voiced column] is a voiceless palatal plosive and j [ɟ] is a voiced plosive, not a spirant.
I didn't correct it, as I'm not a phonetician nor an expert of the Old Persian language but I'd be very happy if someone could fix this or could explain why it doesn't need to be fixed. --Adolar von Csobánka (Talk) 19:32, 6 December 2006 (UTC)
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- All right, I improved the table and contacted the author to ensure that I am representing the phonemes accurately. Ƶ§œš¹ [aɪm ˈfɻɛ̃ⁿdˡi] 09:20, 23 December 2006 (UTC)
[edit] " A Comparison Table of Old-Persian with other Iranian Languages"
this section is unreferenced, and a pain to maintain or verify. It also doesn't make much sense, Wikipedia articles on languages aren't for mass lexical comparison. It may have a place in a Wiktionary appendix. (wikt:Appendix:Iranian languages vocabulary comparison or something). It would be more valuable to have a prose paragraph on the sound changes involved. dab (𒁳) 07:17, 3 April 2007 (UTC)
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- Do you mean the transition between Old Persian, Middle Persian (Pahlavi) and Modern Persian table? I think it kind of shows a slight transition of some words and it is informative. The material seems to be taken from kent. Someone replaced Kaam (desire) with Kam (few). --alidoostzadeh 03:41, 5 June 2007 (UTC)
[edit] Old Persian Numerals
From reading the Gvozdanovic's book on Indo-European Numerals and looking at the various article in the Encyclopedia Iranica, it seems one could reconstruct forms *çayah (*çaiiah) for three, *čaθwārah for four, and *xšaš for six.
Check this table of sound correspondences:
Statement on the origins of Persian se found here:
- çaiiah which one can also transcribe as *çayah.
This goes with what we already know indirectly (from Elamite texts) or directly of the other forms: aiva-, duva, panča, hafta, ašta, nava, daθa. I wonder if the full form of aiva- would be aivaka. Any experts or people with sources want to chime in? So based on attested forms and reconstuction: aivaka, duva, çayah, čaθwārah, panča, xšaš, hafta, ašta, nava, daθa. Azalea pomp (talk) 18:10, 22 June 2009 (UTC)
