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WikiProject Omaha?

Would anyone else be interested in a WikiProject Omaha, ala all of the other mid-sized US cities with WikiProjects? • Freechild'sup? 16:21, 28 February 2008 (UTC)

I would really be.Inbierno (talk) 21:09, 11 July 2008 (UTC)

Done. If anyone else is interested please see the WikiProject Omaha information. • Freechild'sup? 03:57, 12 July 2008 (UTC)

West O

Personally I think certain portions of West O should be listed as separate areas. Being annexed cities Millard and Elkhorn really are more distinct and are often talked about on their own. Nice or in evil (talk) 15:59, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

I agree, maybe we could use the city limits map that Wikipedia has for Omaha's article Inbierno (talk) 03:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I'm not sure what either one of you mean - could you explain? There is an stub called West Omaha, but I'm not sure what section are you talking about? • Freechild'sup? 05:09, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

Perhaps a district of Omaha, but I don't think it qualifies as having its own page. We don't want to be referring people to new pages for something like that. Papillion, Millard, La Vista, Elkorn may be listed on the Omaha Page, they should have their own page because they each have their own significant histories. West Omaha includes Millard, Elkorn now however they have their own histories, too. But to make a page just for those two cities and everything west of 90th and Dodge isn't worth it. - Izardstreet

09:33, 01 March 2009 (UTC)

Template usage

Please don't remove templates without consensus. I have found no WP guidelines around "excessive templates," and judging by the looks of Washington, D.C., San Francisco, California and Vancouver, British Columbia - all of which are FAs - this article is doing just fine. Again, if you disagree let's work this out on this talk page rather than simply edit warring. • Freechild'sup? 01:52, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Generally, I don't see the point of placing a navbox on a page that isn't linked to on the navbox itself or isn't the parent of the topic covered by navbox. It's slightly disingenuous to use the cities you listed as comparable articles, as the topic/more narrowly focused navboxes on those pages generally either a) don't have more narrowly-focused parent pages to otherwise be placed on or b) have nowhere else to go, as the municipality spans multiple levels of government.

It boils down to a matter of style; I see navboxes on pages that aren't being linked to or aren't parent pages as cruft, and especially so when it leads to more than 3-4 navboxes on a page. Having said all that, I've now put 10x the amount of "actually caring" about this matter than I ever would have thought possible yesterday, so unless the preceding has sparked some change of your (or anyone else's) viewpoint, I fully expect the status quo to hold. – Swid ^{(talk · edits)} 19:17, 31 July 2008 (UTC)

Omaha lede

Was trying to simplify the language with repeats of city names, and didn't look at it carefully enough in final form. Not intentional.--Parkwells (talk) 02:32, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

GA review

• The word county should be wikilinked ... 2000, with an estimated population of 829,890 residing in eight counties
• This phrase should have two en dashes or none. One does not look right..mid- to late
• This sentence is too long...The city is the home to five Fortune 500 companies: ConAgra Foods; Union Pacific Corporation; Peter Kiewit and Sons, Inc.; Mutual of Omaha Companies; and Berkshire Hathaway, the investment vehicle of legendary investor and so-called "Oracle of Omaha" Warren Buffett. Perhaps, just mention the 5 companies in the lead, and do the expanded description in the economy section.
• This image is tagged as obsolete ...Image:OmahaCityFlag.gif..so it should get an updated tag.

• I don't know how to update the tag.

• In the sentence, it may be good to mention something about the fact the ensuing terms refer to first nations, aboriginal peoples, so that the sentence flows better to those not of the state who are not familiar with the indidual native peoples of this location. Since the 1600s, the Omaha, Pawnee, Otoe, the Missouri, the Ponca and Ioway all variously occupied the land that became Omaha.
• Within twenty years of the founding of the Stockyards in South Omaha, In this sentence should Stockyards be capitalized or wikilinked if it is a capital to show a name of something or another?
• joined by Eastern European Jews and black migrants from the South; I do believe I agree that East European Jews should all be capitalised in this instance but I don't believe south should be.
• $100 million The $ sign should be wikilinked as should any other currency to indicate american currency or what have you. dates and numbers - currency
• It would be nice to add the names of the city counties...five in Nebraska and wikilink them so there is easy access if someone requires their name for research, or wants to reach that county article. It would also be cool for researchers or genealogists in the WWW who would like to know what the city counties are.
• Not necessary for GA, but a nice thing to do would be to give the pretty picture...Image:Omaha0025.jpg some categories.

• Done.

• The first time initials are mentioned in an article they should be spelled out in full ie...only LDS temple
• Mention could be made about the 4x100 freestyle relays and 4x200 freestyle relays being swimming events.
• It is good that the term Combined Statistical Area is wikilinked but it does not need the capitals, same thing through the entire sentence watch the capitals. The Omaha-Council Bluffs Combined Statistical Area comprises the Omaha-Council Bluffs Metropolitan Statistical Area and the Fremont Micropolitan Statistical Area; the CSA has a population of 858,720 (2005 Census Bureau estimate).
• What in the world is a NoDo, CWS, USHL, WPA-financed , BANTU and NCAA ? Neither are wikilinked neither are spelled out...as wikipedia is a source of info this is pertinent IMHO. I don't think American Automobile Association is the full definition of the AAA but perhaps if AAA does not have words and rather could be wikilinked to its definition ... NBA and HHL might be able to be construed by most readers, but it may be handy to spell them out so those with not too much sports savvy, don't have to click on the wikilinks, they can just read away. Oh...NoDo is wikilinked down in the education section, but not in the sections previous to this...that is a lo-o-ong ways to read to find out what a NoDo is.
• 10 kilometer needs converstion template km to mi.
• In case young folks are using the encyclopaedia article for projects, perhaps the chart abbreviations Census... Pop. ... %± could be given at the bottom of the chart in the Demographics section. The amount of statistics is worded amazingly well considering the number of numbers. Could any of the info be made into charts at all?

• Where pop is population and %t is % change.

• This is a standard template that I can't change.

• Wikilink the word Yankee
• In the section People the various ethnic groups are randomly wikilinked, it would be nice to do all, if some have been started.
• In 1909 mob violence force the Greek immigrant population to flee from the city should be the word forced - past tense.
• References to facts appeared good at the beginning of the article, and virtually disappeared in the middle paragraph of Race relations in Omaha... and there are none at all for the facts of the last paragraph. ...and the first paragraph of Notable residents... first three paragraphs of Transportation :-( All facts need references always, all paragraphs should be referenced as well.

• Done.

• As six is spelled out at the beginning of the article 9 high schools nine should be spelled out in the education section. Manual of Style (dates and numbers)
• a 3,000 foot-long footbridge crossing into Council Bluffs perhaps re-word to allow for length conversion template thingie.
• change the word meatprocessing to meat processing and hardwon to hard won...bycicle to bicycle ... trafic to traffic...timeline to time line... according to spellcheck or wikilink.
• A script has been used to generate a semi-automated review of the article for issues relating to grammar and house style; it can be found on the automated peer review page for September 2008.
• Something could be done regarding section arrangement, the article begins with a rather timeline series through the long history section. Then the article delves into much shorter topic sections. There is mention of culture with music etc., then it moves to sport, then back to music, film and aspects of culture...then other topics, then we get the people involved in culture.
• There is mention of riots and conflicts especially culturally related ones in the detailed history section, then other the article moves over to other topics, then there is mention of neighborhoods and their ethnicity, then the article goes along and goes along, and then a section on demographics and ethnic distribution, and then a section on ethnic people and their neighborhoods and then the article cycles back to the beginning talking of riots again between the ethnic groups and it is hard to discern if the same or yet a different riot is introduced from the ones mentioned in the history section. It feels like the article repeats itself, just renames the section and goes arouund in a circle and a reader wants to join like minded topics together ie ethnic happenings of Omaha are all spread around about ......

• perhaps a way to do this would be to put more of the detailed history timeline into the article History of Omaha so that the history topic does not overshadow the geography section and so on. The history section is the only one formatted into a timeline compared to the other sections which only deal with their topics and not in a timeline fashion, and this causes the repeats perhaps. So smuush the entirety of the history information including its subsections into a smaller history section, about the same size as the next longest section...culture. That would help the length of the Omaha article be shorter, would improve the history of Omaha article, and would help show that all the various contributing topics of Omaha are important to Omaha.

• The lead talks about economy and growth and a little teeny blurb about jazz. So that's what one expects the article to be. The article talks about history and riots and ethnic cultures a lot and the economy and transportation section are w-a-a-a-y shorter than the l-o-o-o-ng history section. The lead does not even say anything that history related stuff will be in the article.

• Something to do is to take the lead and copy and paste just the lead into a different page or place. Only read it as if it were featured on wikipedia and the lead is on the main page and nothing else of the article. Does the lead introduce the WWW reader to ALL sections of the article, so if I was to write a report for a teacher on topic X about Omaha I would know that this lead paragraph will point me to more info in section labelled topic X in the main part of the article itself.

• The geography section is small, and it would be nice to know something of the Geography:natural features of the earth's surface so perhaps the recreations section could be put into the named section geography. and not have a section named recreations.
• The article contains a lot of information which is very awesome about Omaha, and citations are used for the majority. I will check the actual references later, as there are a quantituy of them. The first points are minor, then there is something about the flow. Each section read alone is awesome, it is just when the sections are put in the same place that there is joining - ness problems and flow issue thingies arise when they become part of a whole.</srike>
• reference 14 Nebraska Moments is online, it would be good to add the URL

• add the URL for reference 15 Semi-Centennial History of Nebraska.
• add the URL for reference 11 online [1] The Gate City: A history of Omaha.]
• add the URL for reference 20 Nebraska: A guide to the Cornhusker state

*add the URL for reference 21 -23 -24 -28-30-31-35-36-38-106-The Gate City: A history of Omaha.

• The fact The Union Pacific Railroad was founded in Omaha in 1867 was cited as reference 22. Reference 22 is an awesome article about Thomas Clark Durant (1820-1885) but no date of the founding of the UPR was given in the whole article.  :-(
  • The new reference also does not say anything about 1867  :-(

• Done, twice. I rewrote the sentences and added new citations.

• add the URL for reference 25 In Search of the Racial Frontier: African Americans in the American West.
• add the URL for reference 29 No More Free Markets Or Free Beer: The Progressive Era in Nebraska,
• add the URL for reference 40 Nebraska: An Illustrated History.
• add the URL for reference 50 The Negroes in Nebraska.

• Done.

• add the URL for reference 55 + 81 Living City: How America's Cities Are Being Revitalized by Thinking Small in a Big Way,
• add the URL for reference Upstream Metropolis: An Urban Biography of Omaha and Council Bluffs.
• add the URL for reference The Changing Image of the City: Planning for Downtown Omaha,
• Ref 53 matches the library I can't find the fact mentioned for Reference 54???

• Comparing the article to the guidelines many of the sections are covered which are advised...How to fill out the geography section is a good outline here.

• Check out advise on leads for placenames...guidelines, guidelines
• As per guidelines, a government section would be handy...and again some more tips on how to flesh out the geography section...Short sections and paragraphs are discouraged. (GA criteria)
• Left-aligned images should not be placed at the start of subsections.
• References should be consistently formatted, eg. consistent author format, abbreviations for "page number", etc. compare reference 188 to the others.

• I believe this is done.

GA review (see here for criteria)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose): b (MoS):

2. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):

3. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

4. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

5. It is stable.

   No edit wars etc.:

6. It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

7. Overall:

   Pass/Fail:

• The article contains a lot of information and is basically just in need of some tweaks here and there. Good luck Kind Regards...SriMesh | talk 04:01, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I believe the requests of your review have been met. What's the next step? • Freechild'sup? 12:13, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

There are many many references which are awesome...some have went away, will putter away at the rest in the morning.

• This reference no longer exists... a b "The Greater Omaha Advantage: Utilities" SCEDC. Retrieved 8/17/07

• Replaced.

• This reference is hard to use...USNews.com: America's Best Colleges 2008: Universities-Master's (Midwest): Top Schools. US News and World Report. Retrieved 5/28/08. ...as it shows a main page, with no direct reference to universities of Omaha, it still needs to be searched out. Perhaps link to the article within it which verifies your fact.

• Replaced

• This link went away. ^ Losa, J. (2006) "On the Town: Fans Should Support Local Hip-Hop." Omaha World-Herald. 11/2/06. Retrieved 7/1/07.

• Replaced.

• This link went away. "Frequently Asked Questions", Millard Public Schools. Retrieved 5/28/08.

• Replaced.

• This link went away as well... (nd) History. Durham Western Heritage Museum. Retrieved 6/7/07.

• Replaced.

• This link went away... 135. Hassebroek, A. (2006) "Holland Center Further Energized Omaha's Lively Culture." Omaha World Herald. 10/15/06. Retrieved 6/7/07.

• Replaced.

• This link is also gone. 139 (nd) History. Durham Western Heritage Museum. Retrieved 6/7/07.

• Replaced.

SriMesh | talk 05:39, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

• This site does not keep their articles online very long...http://www.redorbit.com

• Replaced.

• This site does not really veriy the fact it is cited for. It is a good teaching tool, but does not support this article at this juncture..116 Lesson Plans for Omaha Race Riot of 1919. NebraskaStudies.org. Retrieved 12/28/07.

• Replaced.

• ^74 (2006) Indicators for the Greater Omaha Minority Community. Minority Economic Development Council. Retrieved 9/5/08.

I couldn't get this link to come up, it continually timed out.

• Replaced.

• 64 "Midtown Omaha to Become Destination Even After Work", Creighton University website. Retrieved 5/18/07. could not be found

• Replaced.

• • There checked all the online references. Sorry for the delay. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 16:55, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

• Thanks for doing so much to help the article SriMesh. Now I think I've done everything I can - not sure what to do about what I can't do though. • Freechild'sup? 13:18, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

The 'media' section is too short and does not meet the completeness criterion. It looks like the contents of the "see also" link Media in Omaha, Nebraska is mostly a list of radio & tv stations, which is fine. But you should say more about the media in the Omaha article itself, than simply, "The city also has four television news stations." See the Media and Popular Culture" section of the Flagstaff, Arizona article for an example. You can talk about the media market, and provide a citation, and discuss (in prose) the major television stations there. Some information on movies and tv shows might be good to include, too, but be careful not to just use a bulleted list for that (it's bordering on "trivia"). Dr. Cash (talk) 16:25, 26 September 2008 (UTC)

Fixed. I expanded the section a lot. • Freechild'sup? 04:24, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

That is an impressive expansion. I checked those references, and they work out. The image needs a fair use template ploppped onto it...Image:369842.1020.A.jpg There are two templates existing on the image for different articles, and likewise, this article also needs its rationale explained on the image description page. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 05:01, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Done. Phew. I replaced the image, because frankly, I don't care enough about any one particular image to actually learn how to. • Freechild'sup? 16:39, 27 September 2008 (UTC)

Passed as per above banners and notice. Good luck with your article. Watch which images and references are added to the article for future reference. Kind Regards SriMesh | talk 01:23, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Population/Population Projection

Shouldn't there be a a section the page devoted to the population and the projection of the population by year? Tech43 (talk) 21:51, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

You can attempt to create it, with citations. • Freechild'sup? 02:02, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

alright, but I noticed something else, how come on the side of the page it still has the population census from 2000 and not from like 2008 or 2006? Tech43 (talk) 00:06, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

The offical census count is released every 10 years. All of the other 'intermediate' numbers are estimates based on births and deaths. --Sweet Pea 1981 (talk) 02:51, 10 December 2008 (UTC)

So, what do you think the populations for Omaha will be in 2010? Tech43 (talk) 01:43, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Just a quick reminder that this is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Omaha, Nebraska article, and not a forum on the topic. Thanks for staying on topic. • Freechild'sup? 02:11, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Images

Per my comments on the FAC page and yours on my talk page, I hope to be able to clarify what is necessary of images in an FA.

First, they should all have the most basic information: a description, a source, author, date, and licensing info. This is available in the information template mentioned in the FAC.

• Make sure that the source is accurate to where it was downloaded from or says "self-made" as I noticed a few of the images in the article were taken by Wikipedians. Similar to a citation that cites Wikipedia, a source that cites that the image is from Wikipedia is a circular source that has no meaning. This is a problem in File:Logan fontenelle.jpg. I searched for where this image was downloaded from, but you may have better luck finding the best source possible. There are a couple of sites that have part of the image ([2] and [3]) but not the exact image. If you are in Omaha, you may check the local public library. I found that the painting may be at the Joslyn Museum, but I don't find a digital copy. If any of the books you used for the article have the same image, you can cite the book as the source (with page number). But it has to be the exact same image.
• Similarly, I found the image of the Fontanelle Hotel at the Omaha Public Library. Excellent reliable source. That should be transferred to the image summary.
• This is the proper source for File:Tibbets-wave.jpg. It's the image from the National Archives. I found it by going to the Nat'l Archives site and searching for "Enola Gay".

Information about the images should ideally be as thorough as information from sources. I know images are difficult to understand; I'm still trying to understand some of the grey areas in licensing and it's an uphill climb sometimes. Go through each of your images to see that as much information is included as possible in the image summaries. Some of the older artwork may not have an author (photographer or artist) available. If it's unknown, cite who says it is. If the Joslyn Museum has no idea who painted Fontenelle's portrait, that is a reliable source. The summary would read Author = Unknown per Bob Smith, curator of the Joslyn Museum where the painting is housed, confirmed by User:X by phone on December 17, 2008.

Let me know if you have questions. Thanks. --Moni3 (talk) 14:46, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

That encapsulate the aforementioned "brutality." I will whittle away at this over the next day or two and make as much progress as possible. Two questions: One, I think that "self-made" referred to the editors submitting the work from their own cameras to WP. Should that simply link to their user profile? Two, if I have difficultly in tracking down the artist and don't have the ability to call/email the potential source for that info is it best to simply remove the image? • Freechild'sup? 16:02, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Self-made in the Source line and the uploader's username in the Author line with the appropriate licensing is enough. If you have difficulty tracking down the artist or other information, let me know and I will help you. The very last resort will be removing the image from the article. However, I have done this to ensure an article's promotion, then received information enough to include the image afterwards. --Moni3 (talk) 16:08, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

POV in redirect

Isn't it POV to have "Omaha" redirect to this page?--Ssteiner209 (talk) 21:57, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

I think it is. I believe the original conversation, which is in the talk page archives, revolved around the notion that Omaha the city is more sought after/renowned/googled than Omaha the tribe. I believe the name should probably go to the disambig page- but there may be strong opposition to that. We should seek consensus before any move is made. • Freechild'sup? 01:39, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

That depend ds on who is searching for the word Omaha. Hell by viewing my user page you can see am from Omaha... which makes me going against a redirect to my own city. The thing is there's so many Omaha's you could search for besides the tribe and city. Omaha beach etc. Which archive is it in? Link please?--Ssteiner209 (talk) 03:44, 20 December 2008 (UTC)

A faulty article for Omaha meatpacking

There's a link to a Wiki article, "Omaha Stockyards", which doesn't work. I downloaded the file but couldn't find a program that could open it. If I enter that phrase in the search box, the system can't deliver. I'm interested in the transition from the old, single Chicago stockyard to the current decentralized system, so I was interested in the Omaha stage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.91.173.36 (talk) 20:22, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

Size

Is it just me, or does anyone else find the size of this article a bit ridiculous for a mid-sized city? This article is 124 kb; making it bigger than the San Francisco article and only about 10k smaller than the New York City article. Its good that this is a comprehensive article, but I think for the readers' sake, you guys should trim this article down and put more information in the side-articles. Just the 2 cents of a passerby... Anon134 (talk) 00:52, 24 January 2009 (UTC)

Too bad the San Francisco article is so non-comprehensive. This article is rated as a Good Article, and in 2 peer reviews and 2 featured article reviews the length has never come up. That makes it a non-issue to me. • Freechild'sup? 06:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC).

I don't find the length of the article a problem. The fact that Omaha is a mid-sized city is irrelevant as long as the substance of the article is of merit. Revans1953 (talk) 02:08, 13 February 2009 (UTC)

Omaha is not the average mid-sized city. This seems to be a solid view of many dimensions of this city.MagneticGuy (talk) 01:27, 27 June 2009 (UTC)

Hal Daub photo usage

Daub's photo was selected for this article because its permission status allows it to be used here. Other images, such as that of James Dahlman, weren't selected because their permission status does not allow them to. Please leave the Daub photo until a suitable replacement has been found. • Freechild'sup? 09:44, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

There isn't a fair-use picture of Fayey that can be used? It makes more sense to show the current mayor than a former one. PabloSus86 (talk) 01:03, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Find that pic, or any other - but whatever happens don't replace the photo with a non-fair-use photo. • Freechild'sup? 04:53, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Are images from the City of Omaha's website considered fair-use as it is a government-type website? There is an image from Mike Fahey here. If it is, I can add that photo. Sweet Pea 1981 (talk) 15:42, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Edit war

Revans1953 has commenced an edit war with me[4], apparently over the issue of whether to use [daub.jpg|this photo] versus [photo], between which the difference is the permission that has been alloted to their usage. • Freechild'sup?

06:16, 12 February 2009 (UTC). Revans1953 (talk) 01:57, 13 February 2009 (UTC) I wish to differ. I have no intent on creating a Edit War. Regarding the use of Hal Daub's photo, I tried to point out -- obviously unsuccessfully-- that the use of the photo creates the appearance of a possible political motive, considering Mr. Daub is currently a candidate. I don't mean to question Freechild integrity. I would also like to point out that I expanded the status of the race by including Councilman Vokal's participation to the narrative and whom belonged to which political party, which prior to my edit was absent. The image I restored was that of former mayor James Dahlman that previously accompanied the article, which had more to say about him than about Mr. Daub. Any restrictions on the use of the Dahlman photo is not indicated in the particulars of that photo, which merely states the photo was in the public domain. If there are limitations, they are not stated. My desire was to maintain the appearance of impartiality.

And in anticipation of possible future comment regarding my editing of the Crime section pertaining to Carter Lake, I have tried to remove what looks like a bias. Carter Lake Iowa is geographically in Iowa. The fact that it is on the west side of the Missouri River does not technically make it Iowa and certainly does not remove it geographically from Iowa. Lincoln Nebraska is not technically in Nebraska and geographically part of Kansas merely because the Platte River bisects the state. My latest efforts of editing is an attempt to remove the "technically" hairsplitting but maintain the author's point. My edits have tried to help fix a few oversights (e.g. the previous absence of parimutuel betting) and remove the appearance of bias. Again, I have nothing against Freechild who has provided excellent info on Omaha.

And in a friendly spirit of cooperation I would like to suggest the inclusion of 1) National Park Service's Midwest Regional Office, which has been in Omaha for decades and now has a new home on the riverfront; and 2) the July 1892 People's Party (Populist) presidential convention that was held in Omaha which nominated James B. Weaver. Revans1953 (talk) 06:12, 13 February 2009 (UTC) One final photograph observation →Music: How does a photograph of a empty parking lot with part of the Omaha skyline in the background come to represent the Qwest Center?

Revans1953 (talk) 07:08, 13 February 2009 (UTC) →Crime: I am confused by the statement: "Today, gambling in Omaha is limited to limited keno, parimutuel betting, and slot machines..." --are slot machines even legal in Omaha and or Nebraska? I am not a gambler and never been to a dog or horse track, casino or keno parlor. And while I am asking, isn't the section regarding the Ponca tribes attempt to operate a casino more appropriately discussed in the Gambling in Omaha, Nebraska section? Right now the inclusion of it appears to infer that such gambling and crime in Omaha would somehow be linked. While nowhere in this section or the Gambling section indicates that the parimutuel betting at the old AKSARBEN, that was operated by the Knights of AKSARBEN and who happened to be the well-connected of Omaha society, contributed to crime in Omaha. Indeed, when the Knights finally closed the track in the 1990s due to loosing attendance to the dog track and riverboat casinos in Iowa, that their subsequent opposition to allowing casinos and/or slot machines in Omaha seemed to ring more of sour grapes than a well-principled argument.

Revans1953 (talk) 09:26, 13 February 2009 (UTC) →Crime: the statement : "Today, gambling in Omaha is limited to limited keno, parimutuel betting, and slot machines..." neglects to mention the various Lottery games that are legal in Nebraska

Omaha's founding

The 1907 History of Pottawattamie County shows that Kanesville vanished at the end of 1852 and that the Council Bluffs city charter was granted in early 1853. Why does the Omaha page still list Kanesville? Does the city want to disassociate it's origins concerning Council Bluffs that much? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.116.177.82 (talk) 04:20, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

The reliably sourced historical notations throughout this article consistently reference Kanesville as the hometown of many of Omaha's founders, thus why it is included in the article. You will need more than one reference to disprove those sources. • Freechild'sup? 04:25, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

so-so article referencing Kanesville: http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~iapottaw/cnclblfs.htm better article reference on Kanesville to Council Bluffs: http://www.thehistoricalsociety.org/sam%20bayliss%20on%20broadway.htm The reference in the 1907 History of Pottawattamie County:http://freepages.books.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~cooverfamily/pottawattamie_2/pot_2_2.htm also see the 1883 History of Pottawattamie County (which is not online except for the biographies) also, pages 7-9 and page 11 at http://books.google.com/books?id=tQ-LPKtZBrMC&printsec=frontcover&dq=Council+Bluffs+Broadway#PPA9,M1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.116.177.82 (talk) 04:02, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

Also see page 38 of the most recent edition of 'upstream metropolis' which I would consider a definitive resource on omaha history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.116.177.82 (talk) 04:20, 12 March 2009 (UTC)

unless I get any input or response I'm going to change this. There simply was no Kanesville by the time Omaha was founded. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.116.177.82 (talk) 03:21, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

Irvington

Would Irvington be considered an Omaha neighborhood, or is this is seperate 'city'? I know that they have their own fire department (as my neighborhood is under their jurisdiction), but I also know that it is not a city according to the Census Bureau.

I don't know anything about the history or if it would meet Wikipedia standards, just something that passed my mind today. Sweet Pea 1981 (talk) 15:47, 7 April 2009 (UTC)

I think that it must be recognized by the census bureau inorde to be considered, however I'm not sureDmartin969 (talk) 03:57, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Irvington is an unincorporated area that does not constitute it's own city. The article Irvington, Nebraska explains this, and the Omaha article reflects it. • Freechildtalk 04:02, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Government and politics

I've cleaned up the third paragraph in the "Government and politics" section (re. the 2008 Obama campaign) a bit; in particular, I've changed some of the emphasis from Omaha to the 2nd Congressional District, which includes not only Omaha but its more Republican suburbs. The paragraph still needs work: in particular, the first citation (the CBS News article) only mentions one campaign office, not three. I think the paragraph should also bring up Nebraska's split-electoral-vote system much earlier; otherwise, one's left wondering why Obama was trying to win one district in a state that was sure to go Republican as a whole. Unfortunately, several of the sources are no longer available online, so I can't go back and rewrite it based on them.

--Ammodramus (talk) 02:28, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Improvement

Let's improve it. C'mon Omahans! The Metro has nearly 1,000,000 residents! We are the most important city in the midwest! Sure theres Chicago and Detroit but we're the best! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.99.4.228 (talk) 22:24, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

• Isn't the above comment a bit like Omaha being a place for knowledge skills? Or the comment in the same section about tourism? Who says "Yea, I want to go on vacation this summer? I'm thinking of taking the family sightseeing in Omaha." Stevenmitchell (talk) 07:49, 22 November 2010 (UTC)

• As an omahan I am insulted by Stevenmitchell's comment, however this seems like general forum crud anyway, people this ISN'T a forum As per WP:FORUM Dmartin969 (talk) 03:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Picture

This is pretty minor, but does anyone have an overhead photo of Omaha that is newer than 2006 for the main picture? Things have changed a lot in the last 5 years. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Boucher4 (talk • contribs) 05:04, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

It also need a new picture for the Omaha zoo, it had a new logo and sign Dmartin969 (talk) 03:46, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Flag?

What, Omaha don't have a flag? Can't be true! 85.217.40.33 (talk) 02:50, 17 July 2011 (UTC)

Now did some googling, and Omaha in fact has a flag. At least NAVA's American City Flags survey has "Flag of Omaha" at #26 on its list. (easily found on google by searching 'nava survey') 85.217.43.40 (talk) 21:40, 4 September 2011 (UTC)

Race relations

This section needs a thorough re-write. How does "racial profiling" (incidentally a more modern concept) result in one person being identified! Profiling would perhaps identify a group, but this crime seems not to have even allowed that. Gonzalez may have been unarmed when he fled - that doesn't mean he wasnt' armed at the time of the crime. If blacks were unable to vote for a period of five years in the 1960's (unlikely), is this best described as a period of obscurity!

Original Godfather's Pizza location?

Where was the original Godfather's Pizza (and in what neighborhood?). Doing various googles I kinda see 84th and L Street but am not 100% sure.Americasroof (talk) 20:26, 8 November 2011 (UTC)

Also its headquarters is at 2808 North 108th Street. Could somebody please post a photo? And what neighborhood is that?Americasroof (talk) 01:35, 9 November 2011 (UTC)

Fortune 500 companies

Why is Kellogg considered to be one of the Fortune 500 companies that call Omaha home? I think they are based in Battle Creek, MI. Vorenus (talk) 18:21, 1 December 2011 (UTC)