Talk:Order of St Michael and St George

Whom was so honored?

List of some K.C.M.G. recipients

Sir Theophilus Shepstone (1817-93) was created a K.C.M.G. in 1876.

List of some G.C.M.G.recipients

Sir Michael Hardie Boys (b.1931),former Governor-General of New Zealand (1996-2001) was created a G.C.M.G. in early 1996.

Yes, Minister got it wrong...

It should be:

CMG - call me god.

KCMG - kings call me god

GCMG - god calls me god

Think about it - why on earth would the middle rank say kindly call me god, when the lower rank says it as a command?

Because it's perfectly possible to make "kindly do such-and-such" sound immensely condescending. "Kindly make the tea, Smythe" etc. 86.132.139.119 (talk) 20:00, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

My grandfather was a GCMG and used to recount that joke decades before Yes, Minister came along.

I also heard it before Yes, Minister, as Kindly Call me God! -- Necrothesp 13:50, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

I've amended the article to include both versions and to point out that it didn't originate with Yes, Minister (I'm pretty sure I've done this before - somebody must have changed it back!). -- Necrothesp 13:57, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Don't know if you are interested chaps, but there's a quote from the journalist Anthony Sampson (b. 1926) that (I think) predates 'Yes Minister'. It's from a book of his, Anatomy of Britain Today (1965). Here's the quote - from chapter 18: "Members rise from CMG (known sometimes in Whitehall as "Call Me God") to KCMG ("Kindly Call Me God") to GCMG ("God Calls Me God")."

Hope this proves useful. Toodle Pip

Ah, thought someone else might have added that Yes Minsiter reference - the episode in which Hacker visits Sir Humphrey's Alma Mater, wasn't it?

Is Collar wore by Knight/Dame Grand Cross only?

I have seen a photo [1]. The man was a Knight Commandar only, but he wore a Collar too. Can anyone explain it???--219.79.107.17 18:18, 16 June 2006 (UTC)

Despite the caption on the Australian National Archives site you linked to, Sir Joseph Cook was in fact a GCMG, not a KCMG. I've added a reference to the notice of appointment in the London Gazette to the Joseph Cook article. --Dr pda 13:46, 23 August 2006 (UTC)

Knights vs Dames

In the See also section there is a disparity between Knights Commander and Dames Commander as to whether or not "of the Order of" is appropriate. - Kittybrewster 20:01, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

This comes from the fact that when members of orders were first categorised, the categories created missed out "of the Order of", such as "Knights Commander of the British Empire" etc. However, these categories should be renamed to include "of the Order of". Craigy (talk?) 20:15, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

That job needs somebody who knows how to use a Bot, I would think - Kittybrewster 20:49, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

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Current Knights and Dames Grand Cross

There are at least four persons listed in the article who are not current, being deceased. Two of these died only in the last 2 months, so their removal to "Select Former Recipients" is a matter of someone getting it done. But two have been long deceased, and should not be listed as current. (Sources: The wikipedia articles for each person named.) The persons concerned are:

Knights and Dames Grand Cross

– The Rt.Hon. Sir Seewoosagur Ramgoolam GCMG (1965) – died 15 December 1985

– The Rt. Hon. The Viscount Soulbury, GCMG GCVO, DL (1978) – died 9 April 2010

Honorary Appointments

– Ong Teng Cheong, Honorary GCMG (1998) – died 8 February 2002

– Ryszard Kaczorowski, Honorary GCMG (2004) – died 10 April 2010

Ptilinopus (talk) 04:02, 19 May 2010 (UTC)