Talk:Paiute people

Opening comments

The article conforms to a time when anthropologists still believed their own ethnocentric descriptions of the Northern Paiute (Numu). The name for the people is Numu. The Northern Paiute extend into Northern Utah. Also, the Numu are part of an interrelated people called the Punown. The Punown include: Northern and Southern Paiute, Northern and Southern Ute, Commanche, Gosiute, Southern Paiute, Northern, Western, and Eastern Shoshone amongst other peoples such as Hopi. The Numu langauge is part of the Great Northern-Uto-Aztecan langauges termed Numic. Although there were perfectly timed movements (would not call this migratory because it was within their own CONSCRIPTED territory) upon the landscape, these movements (seasonal rounds) were not done as simple wanderings but as eclectic foragers whom were biologists. The sociological organization of the Numu was (is) broad. The Numu lived in small villages in general of upward of 20-200 people. Although in some instances the village was composed of small family groups, larger villages did develop along the Sierra Nevada range. In areas such as Pyramid Lake, Walker Lake, the Humboldt Sink, Smith Valley and Owens Valley, California, and locations in Northern and Southern Oregon the Numu were known to live in semi-sedentary villages. Indigenous farming was also present at Walker, Smith, and Owens Valleys. Terming this pattern a "migaratory" lifestyle appears to be an artifact of early ethnocentric anthropology. It appears to relate to original Western encroachment on the lands of the Numu who wanted to justify their own intrusion into another peoples conscipted territory.

Please, feel free to edit the article to get rid of inaccuracies. --- hike395 00:19, 5 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Removed content copied from http://www.nativeamericans.com/Paiute.htm. --- Toiyabe 23:32, 12 Oct 2004 (UTC)

Split Northern Paiute and Southern Paiute?

Anybody else for spliting this page into a Northern Paiute and Southern Paiute page, while leaving Paiute as a disambig page? These two peoples spoke different languages, their territories did not border each other and they had fairly different lifeways. Seems like the fact that they're both known as Paiute is an accident of history. Toiyabe 23:43, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Pah Ute War

Merged about one sentance from Pah Ute War. Could be a pretty interesting section with some more work.--Banana04131 18:53, 27 August 2005 (UTC)

External Links Of Interest

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Hamblin information

Recent contribution on Jacob Hamblin moved here for discussion. WBardwin 03:50, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

The main point of contact between the Paiutes and the Mormons was the indominatable Jacob Hamblin who had been called on a mission to the Southern Paiutes by Brigham Young. Hamblin cared deeply about the Native Americans, and was able to maintain essentially friendly relations between the two peoples. In fact, the Paiutes held Hamblin in such respect that they guided him to Jacob Lake on the Kaibab Plateau which still bears his name. This permanent source of water became incredibly important to travel between Mormon settlements in southern Utah and Arizona. Often the Paiutes would serve as guides and act as translators as the Latter-day Saints encountered new tribes, such as the Navajo to the east of the Colorado River. However, it is also clear that the introduction of European ways of life and agriculture greatly altered the Southern Paiutes' traditional lifestyles.

Help with Pah-vant

I am working on the Mountain Meadows massacre article and have run across a reference to a tribal (or band) name of Pah-vant in the southern Utah area. It appears several times in Senate Executive Document 42 of the 36th United States Congress in response to Senate requests for all the official documents relating to the Mountain Meadows massacre. Specifically on page 76 where Jacob Forney (Superintendent for Indian Affairs in Utah Territory in 1859) says:

And after strict inquiry I cannot learn that even one Pah-vant Indian was present at the massacre.

Is anyone familiar with this name and what it corresponds to as far as tribal affiliations? Is it a band of Paiute? Thanks for any help. --Robbie Giles 03:38, 25 June 2007 (UTC)

Pah Vant were a subgroup of the Uinta (Muhgruhtahveeach, auch Nuchu or Noochoo, often called Uta Utes, Unita), a tribe of the Ute, who lived in the Uintah Basin including the Great Salt Lake Basin. Further subgroups of the Uinta are:

• Cumumba (originally a band of Shoshone)
• Yoovwetuh
• Tumpanawach (Toompanawach or Tumpanuwac)
• San Pitch (Sanpeech)
• Sheberetch (Sahyehpeech)

The Uinta Utes belonged to the Northern Utes. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.50.56.7 (talk) 18:24, 7 October 2010 (UTC)