Talk:Pancake

Pancakes In Australia

In Australia Pancakes are commonly eaten with lemon juice and sugar (referred to as just lemon and sugar). Honey is also a common topping as well as chocolate topping.

Also, Jam might be a common topping but jelly is not. Jelly is actually the name used to describe to what's known in the USA as Jello. Although there is a difference to Jam and Jelly, it's all commonly called Jam in Australia. -- Hostagexandox —Preceding comment was added at 16:03, 15 July 2008 (UTC)

They are? I been here four years, been to Pancake Parlour numerous times, and who exactly puts lemon juice and sugar on pancakes? From what I can tell the choices are either corn syrup or maple syrup with that butter sir. On to the next topic, Aussie slang for Jello is hardly room for nitting about what the rest of the world calls a pectin-based fruit-flavored solidified jar of semi-solids. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 114.76.97.107 (talk) 13:49, 3 May 2009 (UTC)

"I been here four years, been to Pancake Parlour" is hardly any help in talking about Aussie Culture! Some of us native born Aussies have lived in various parts of Australia for over 60 years! Pancake Manor is based on US concepts, not Aussie. Golden Syrup - cane sugar syrup - was also even more popular than honey as it is a stronger deeper flavour. Golden Syrup is one of the main ingredients in ANZAC biscuits, a definite Aussie food icon. "Aussie slang for Jello" - Ah - sorry, the English call it Jam too - ONLY in the USA is it 'Jello' - this is just another example of US Cultural Imperialism crushing all before it and denying the local histories. Jello - US slang for Jam is closer to the global truth. In Australia 'Jelly' sets hard and is eaten chilled with a spoon. Corn Syrup is a US product - and Maple Syrup is Canadian -loved by Americans and not used much here (it's ALL imported - we HAVE no maple trees!) till the last couple of decades. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.111.179.44 (talk) 00:59, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Wow, your cultural heritage is distroyed by some Americans who don't use "Jelly" the same way you do? How fragile of you. For your information, Maple syrupe is tied culturally to every country with native maple trees. The US has plenty of Maple Syrup, thankyouverymuch, and is proud of its use of the natural sweetnener. Check out the Maple Syrup page for more culture crushing information to get upset about. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.41.35.43 (talk) 12:19, 24 November 2011 (UTC)

Pancake Day / Shrove Tuesday

The pancake page seems incomplete without a discussion of Pancake Day (aka. Shrove Tuesday, Mardi Gras etc.). Trouble is, I'm not sure if it's an exclusively British tradition to have pancakes then. Also, how about putting up a recipe for pancake batter? -- Magnus

Why is the pancake page protected?? How controversial can pancakes be? Someone with an account should remove the double entry about the art of pancake flipping! /E —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.249.1.70 (talk) 03:42, 6 February 2008 (UTC)

Pancakes on Mardi Gras?!? This USian is baffled. Sounds like a wonderful thing to add, though - certainly as relevant as IHOP. -- [[User:DavidWBrooks]

Actually, there is a pancake flipping race held on Shrove Tuesday between a town in England and a town in Kansas, but I can't remember the names of the towns. RickK 01:44, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I just added a bit about pancake races, I didn't know there was one linked to the US. What do you mean by "between"? I'm picturing people running across the ocean flipping pancakes now! fabiform | talk 01:49, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

LOL! The two towns (turns out it's Olney, England and Liberal, Kansas) race along an agreed-upon-length course, and the times are compared. The competitors have to flip their pancakes at the start and at the end of the race, and keep it on the griddle. RickK 04:27, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

I don't know how common it is in the US, but's not just a British tradition to have pancakes on Shrove tuesday. My church would have a pancake dinner on that day while I was growing up (in Maryland.) Isomorphic 01:50, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Wikibooks

I've removed the following from the article as it seems confusing (these are very different but unexplained recipies) and perhaps better suited to wikibooks? I've added two links to pancake recipies. fabiform | talk 01:39, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

A common recipe for pancake batter:

4 1/2 cups flour

1/4 cup sugar

1 tsp. salt

1 pkg. dry yeast

4 cups milk

1/2 cup butter

6 eggs

Combine and beat until smooth. Lightly grease griddle and pour 1/4 cup batter onto hot surface for each pancake. Turn when edges look cooked and bubbles begin to break on surface.

For extra light pancakes, mix some beer in with the batter.

It is also possible to follow a simpler recipe, without exact measurements. First, break an egg into a bowl. Mix in plain white flour until a smooth paste is formed and then dilute with milk until the consistency is suitable for pouring. Heat a small amount of some kind of cooking fat or cooking oil in a small frying pan and pour in enough mixture to thinly cover the base of the pan (leaving a little room round the edge). When the mixture appears to be reasonably cooked on the base (the top side will change in appearance), either turn or flip the pancake to cook the reverse.

Flapjack

Flapjack redirects to Pancake, but there's no reference to flapjacks in the pancake article. I'm assuming that a flapjack is another name for a British pancake. Lee M 22:45, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Not where I come from (South east England) a flap jack is a cake/biscuit sort of thing made from rolled oats golden syrup (Corn syrup?) and butter. Quite nice but nothing like a pancake.

It seems to be American, as Theresa says British flapjacks are sweet oaty things, like a musli bar almost. fabiform | talk 23:29, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC) [1]:

FLAPJACK: Dictionary Entry and Meaning
Pronunciation: 'flap`jak
WordNet Dictionary

• Definition: [n] a flat cake of thin batter fried on both sides on a griddle
• Synonyms: battercake, flannelcake, flapcake, griddlecake, hot cake, hotcake, pancake

They are indeed oaty bar things. I'm quite fond of the Fabulous Bakin' Boys' Mighty Oat flapjack with my post-exam coffee/ pre-revision coffee. So I've changed the flapjack page to include the description and a link to here. Sockatume 06:45, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

British pancakes

• The pancake article says that British pancakes are similar to, but not exactly the same as French crepes, the latter being "lacy" in appearance. There is an external link to a British recipe for pancakes -- the recipe looks to me almost exactly like the Jacques Pepin recipe I use to make French crepes. And the accompanying photograph looks just like a crepe, including the "lacy" brown areas.Hayford Peirce 22:39, 29 Jun 2004 (UTC)

That is because there is no such thing as a "British" pancake. They simply renamed the Crepe after it was introduced to them by France. A pancacke is nothing like a Crepe. - Clayton — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.97.57.239 (talk) 17:54, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

Swedish pancakes

Pannkakor redirects here to Pancake, but aren't Swedish pancakes slightly different from regular American ones? -- Beland 00:11, 6 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I don't know, I haven't eaten american pancakes. The swedish ones are similar to crepes, there is also a thicker variant, which is fried in the oven, I think...

Info added on types of Swedish pancakes, the names of Swedish pancakes are 'Pannkaka/Pannkakor' 'Plätt/Plättar' 'Småplätt/Småplättar' 'Ugnspannkaka/Ugnspannkakor' 'Fläskpannkaka/Fläskpannkakor' (with pork) 'Raggmunk/Raggmunkar' (potato pancake) 'Råraka/Rårakor' (potato pancake without actual pancake batter). However, which name corresponds to the "British", small and "German" pancake (when not including pork) varies depending on part of the country. It might be worth the trouble to make a separate pages for the Swedish pancakes clearing up what names correspond to what pancake in different parts of country, but would clutter the main pancake article too much.

The date 1439 seems to be an error, possibly propagated by a BBC article on pancakes available on the internet. As far as I have been able to determine, the first English language recipe for pancakes is given in HARLEIAN MS. 279 (c. 1430-1440), and the number 1439 probably refers to ASHMOLE MS. 1439, which was published together with the former (and others) in 1888. See for yourself: here. Burschik 13:14, 12 Jan 2005 (UTC)

The statement that Swedish pancakes are eaten on thursdays together with pea soup is made in a way that makes it appear as if pancakes can only be eaten in swedish in this context and that it is commonly practiced. In reality it's not; as far as I'm concerned, this is mainly limited to students on special occasions. Pancakes can be eaten (without pea soup) any day in the week as a common meal. HannesP (talk) 10:28, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

Korean pancakes

Did you known that there's also the Korean Version of Panckes too? Their ingredients includes eggs, seafood (For example, squid, salmon, scallop, clams, oysters), plus various types of onions, tomatoes, spinach, and other choice vegetables. They're mixed and pan-fried in a batch, and they're so yummy and delicious! So, could anyone please do some research on Korean Pancakes asap?

Thanks, bye!

"Scottish-style photos

I rolled back the addition of two pictures of store-packaged pancakes that appeared to be making a joke about the labels. If not, I apologize - but if they were meant seriously, I'm afraid they are terrible pictures that show nothing. - DavidWBrooks 02:35, 30 May 2005 (UTC)

time to disambiguate?

There are an awful lot of "see also" articles linked at the bottom which have nothing to do with pancakes as food. Do people think it is time to move this article to Pancake (food), turning this into a disambiguation article - or do people think the food meaning so overwhelming that we should leave this as the main article and put this at the top:

'For more meanings, see Pancake (disambiguation)

Any thoughts? (Note to non-administrators: If you like the idea of moving the article, don't try to do it with a cut-and-paste, as that loses the talk page. It requires a special Move function) - DavidWBrooks 17:38, 22 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Guess I'll do the latter, then ... - DavidWBrooks 19:10, 24 Jun 2005 (UTC)

Silver dollar?

The article compares Scottish pancakes to silver dollars, but I've never eaten one (of the pancakes, not the coins) less than 3" across (or seen one in the shops smaller than that size). Could do with confirmation regarding the size of the US currency (I'm assuming it's not 3" across) because it seems that Silver Dollar pancakes and Scotch pancakes are something else entirely. User:Sockatume10:13, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Most United States Silver Dollars were a little less than 40 mm in diameter. "Silver dollar pancake" uses that as a metaphor: they aren't actually that small, but they are much smaller than most pancakes. Jonathunder 14:18, 1 February 2006 (UTC)

Is the picture really correct. I was brought up with Highland cooking and a drop scone (what is called elsewhere a Scotch pancake) is smaller, or the same size as a muffin, but the picture shows otherwise. That pancake doesn't look like a drop scone to me. Francis Davey 18:00, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

The pancake in the picture added on 9 March (with the folded fruit crumpet) was sourced from the East End Bakers, Kempock Street, Gourock: see that article for a photo in the bakers' shop, and it was measured by me as being 110 x 18mm. When my mother made drop pancakes to the same recipe they turned out much smaller (some probably about silver dollar size!) so that may be what you remember. ...dave souza, talk 17:33, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Hey, um, is it just me, or does this page use the word "savoury" way too much? -- Monk of the highest order 15:58, 11 April 2006 (UTC)

Invention

Who, or where, invented pancakes? What is their origins? Kaiser matias 05:43, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Maybe somebody can give evidence otherwise, but I suspect this is one of those basic foods that was invented many times in many places. Might as well ask who invented the cake. - DavidWBrooks 11:07, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

I've always heard it was a way of getting rid of all the ingredients in the house that might spoil, in preparation for Lent. Sounds ridiculous to me, one of those things parents and teachers make up to send intelligent. They basically said that was how it was invented... 81.104.102.54 11:53, 20 August 2006 (UTC)

We should start this article with maybe a general description of pancakes...perhaps what all of the different types of pancakes have in common before breaking out into different types of pancakes as well has a history/invention section. How different past cultures have prepared the pancake? Pnkrockr 14:04, 30 August 2006 (UTC)

Brazil

On the subject of French crêpes the article includes: ... Brazil (where they're usually called pancake ...). This is very odd. Do the Brazilians really use the English word "pancake" to refer to French crêpes when speaking Portuguese? -- Picapica 20:25, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

Good link for more information

I just came across this website that has a dicussion of the history of pancakes with lots of citations that could be inputed into this article if someone has the time. Remember 15:11, 22 May 2007 (UTC)

Interesting link, thanks ;). I modified it slightly such that it jumps to the relevant section. ∴ here…♠ 23:37, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

Organisation

I think it would be clearer to reorganise the article depending on the style of the pancake. e.g., from see-through thin French crêpes via German Pfannkuchen and American pancakes up to the thick Scottish crumpets. The current enumeration of countries and styles makes it harder to see commonalities, and also makes it essentially impossible to split up. Kjetilho 16:56, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

This sounds like a great idea to me. Go for it! ∴ here…♠ 03:26, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

Photo

I have a great photo off a typical pancake with various fruits, syrup and cream. This is a great photo as it shows the detail of the untypical short and fat pancakes, if any one want me to add it to the page just ask, T saston 22:43, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

Protect against condoms?

As of this writing this entry has, under the North America heading: "Canadians and Americans alike use pancake for a certain pleasurable experience. they protect against STD's and are commonly used as condoms"

Someone might want to fix that. :P 71.221.125.69 (talk) 16:55, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

It does seem odd that not only the article but a lot of the discussion section are locked to comments - although vandalism may explain it. In any case, the so-called "Mexican pancakes" sound basically like johnny cakes if their sole distinguishing characteristic (other than toppings) from other traditional American/Canadian pancakes is their use of corn meal. In any case, there or elsewhere the cornmeal-based johnny cake should probably be mentioned in any complete article on this crucial topic. jmdeur 14:38 29 Feb 2008 (UTC)

Indian pancakes are not pancakes

Dosa cannot be considered pancakes. They are not prepared using sweet flour, as the article states is the distinguishing feature of pancakes. They are their own class of food...more like a tortilla than anything. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Po12345 (talk • contribs) 18:11, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Jonnycakes

Hey! What about jonnycakes? They are basically pancakes made with cornbread mix. I'd add it, but the page is locked.72.78.153.62 (talk) 07:48, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

The little 'drop scones' are called pikelets in Wales too - or at least South Wales where I was brought up. Can this be amended? (EVH) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.44.240.48 (talk) 18:02, 4 June 2008 (UTC)

North America most important of course...

The sight of it filling most of the front you get just when you see the article is horrendous. Just want to say that you might feel very good with it being there (extremely good perhaps even), but it hurts the actual reading experience for me. Why not put it chronologically, or after what is the most diverse cusine? It's not the NA one so that should solve it too.

Anyway, awaiting response that there might be some natural explanation of what seems to be an attempt to annoy readers. Something systematic or mathematical.

80.167.148.208 (talk) 08:38, 17 June 2008 (UTC)

How very astute. You have actually uncovered an outrageously evil plot by North Americans to annoy other readers. I take my hat o Damn it, I can't go on. I've been laughing so hard I just peed my pants. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.37.220.60 (talk) 14:07, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

Banana slices?

I've heard of putting banana slices with pancakes, but then again strawberries, blueberries, and walnuts are just as common. Why specifically mention banana slices as a North American tradition? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.253.149.163 (talk) 10:31, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed. This is not a North American tradition. 70.116.76.173 (talk) 16:01, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Maple Syrup

There are a lot of references to using Maple Syrup on pancakes. Not sure if this is encyclopedic, but perhaps it should be made clear that in the majority of cases in the U.S., what is actually being put on the pancakes is corn syrup with at most 2% maple syrup for flavoring. 69.95.233.206 (talk) 23:10, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Origin

citation "The question, whether the French crepe, the Austrian Palatschinken or the Hungarian palacsinta was created earlier, has not been decided for ages (though possibly the Roman placenta is their common ancestor - the latter was introduced by the Roman Legions into the countries of the European continent)."

Yes, the Romans, not the Romanians.

"Palatschinken" is plural. In Austrian German, the singular would be "Palatschinke" (pronunciation approx. [pala'tʃinkə]), derived from Hungarian "palacsinta." (an Austrian)

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.254.146.163 (talk) 22:18, 15 August 2008 (UTC)

Orson Wetterberg

"The all-time record holder, Orson Wetterberg, once ate 73 pancakes in ten minutes which has been the record for 39 years." Does this really need to be right up front, in the very first paragraph that describes pancakes? It sounds awfully like trivia to me. Anyone with more experience on WP policies want to see if that violates WP:TRIVIA? Kyprosサマ (talk) 13:18, 30 September 2008 (UTC)

Pancakes are not flatbread

Contrary to what it says in the current lead sentence, pancakes are not flatbread. Flatbread is made from a dough that is pressed flat, whereas pancakes are always made from batter and never dough. Also, unlike most flatbreads, pancakes are soft in texture and sweet in flavor. Just because they are flat does not make them "flatbread." --Jcbutler (talk) 17:41, 25 November 2008 (UTC)

Scandinavian and Eastern European

While we don't have a photo of an EE pancake, I can vouch that the current photo for Swedish pancakes looks exactly like a Polish pancake. Our text currently doesn't describe the similarity.--_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:15, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

This polish pancake photo is ugly by the way ;(

Danish Pancakes

What about Abele Skeevers (sp? People spell them many different ways) They are small puffy pancakes cooked in a special pan. You need to add these to the European section! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.56.61.223 (talk) 16:36, 4 January 2009 (UTC)

Inappropriate flap jack redirect

Why does flap jack redirect to this page? Flap Jacks have nothing to do with pancakes. I want to read an article about flap jacks. I'm not interested in pancakes, yet here I am on a pancake discussion page. This is wrong. Someone needs to sort this out. Seriously. Traveller palm (talk) 17:52, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Well, flap jack redirects to flapjack, not pancake. However, flap jacks (plural!) used to redirect to pancake, but I have fixed it in response to your comment. Now both flap jack and flap jacks redirect to flapjack. --Zlerman (talk) 18:24, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Now that's what I call service. I was lost but now am found. Good work there Zlerman. I'm forever in your debt.  :-) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Traveller palm (talk • contribs) 19:31, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

There's been a lot of vandalism on this article lately. Should something be done about it? 74.33.174.133 (talk) 23:47, 15 August 2009 (UTC)

It always seems to be a bit of a vandal magnet. Waffle is the same. Perhaps vandals think with their stomachs. The vandalism level is nowhere near as bad as when I first started watching this article. I don't think we need to do anything special. Putting semi-protection on it would stop all IP editors from editing it and that is not something we want to do unless we really have to. I recommend to just keep reverting the bad stuff. If you want to help then please consider registering an account. That way you will have a Watchlist which helps you keep track of this sort of thing. --DanielRigal (talk) 00:49, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

Edit request

{{editsemiprotected}} The annual Rehab Parliamentary Pancake Race is being held in Victoria Tower Gardens in London on 9th February 2010. We would like to add this to the page - is this possible? Thanks Tom 83.104.4.34 (talk) 11:00, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Sorry Tom, I think that would fall under our policy about advertising. Celestra (talk) 13:57, 3 February 2010 (UTC)

Pikelets

I know of a reproduction 19th century cookbook with a recipe for Yorkshire Pie Clates!! And some with English family roots argue that the word should be spelt Piklets (nothing to do with PIKES) - but interesting similarity to Pie Clates. Looking for useful references. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.111.179.44 (talk) 00:45, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Spelling standard?

Does this page have one?
It's just that it's odd to see "savory" in a non-US context.
Varlaam (talk) 15:51, 25 September 2010 (UTC)

It uses 'ize' instead of 'ise' and the spelling 'flavor', so it appears to have US English as its standard. VMS Mosaic (talk) 00:06, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

They seem to be formalizing more things these days.

So if the page does have a standard, and it's been applied fairly consistently, then the standard should probably be declared at the top of this page for reference.

Varlaam (talk) 00:46, 26 September 2010 (UTC)

Geography: Northern europe

Sorry guys, I just came from the german Wiki to see the Englich version and you totally massed up with the geography. Northern Europe consits of Scandinavia thats Norway, Sweden and Finnland, and Danmark. France, Netherlands and Belgium are part of Western Europe, and Germany is part of central/Eastern Europe. Rgrds frm Grmny —Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.185.91.38 (talk) 21:10, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Maybe the terminology is different in German but in English it is normal not to regard Europe as 4 sectors. Instead all of Europe is regarded as north or south. For example, the UK is regarded as northern Europe as well as western Europe. --DanielRigal (talk) 21:24, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Borlengo appears to be an Italian variant. Existing article can be copyedited to similar style as existing variants here, and merged, either under the West Central Europe section, or given a section of its own if it is a notable anough variation. Haruth (talk) 17:17, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm open to merger, but wonder whether merging it to crepe might not be the better course?--Epeefleche (talk) 01:27, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Or pasta or pizza? It seems to be a form of pasta. Dougweller (talk) 05:41, 13 June 2011 (UTC)

Crepe would be better, since on the article itself it mentions "..is a crepe...." and I don't see Borlengo getting larger in the future. There's always the chance since it was created recently, but borlengo isn't as famous as pancakes or crepes. SwisterTwister talk 04:42, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Pancakes In Slovakia

Although the thin pancakes are called "palacinky", the thick ones are called "lievance". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.40.182.3 (talk) 16:20, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Suggesetion for external link

I wonder how people would feel if this link:

http://www.greatlittleideas.com/find-ideas/search/pancake?gclid=CLu6-vmC-KsCFQULfAodGRvHCA

were added to the external link list? As you can see, it is a list of pancake recipes. I know that Wikipedia is not a "how-to" manual (see Wikipedia: What Wikipedia is not, but I wondered whether this might give a little more information which some people might be seeking after clicking on this link. ACEOREVIVED (talk) 19:48, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

The individual recipes would go well in this article, but the actual link to this website in inapropriate. MilkStraw532 (talk) 19:50, 20 October 2011 (UTC)

I don't think we should have recipes in the article either, and certainly not the link (I did pick up one idea from it, but there are much better websites anyway). Dougweller (talk) 06:35, 21 October 2011 (UTC)

Geography (again): Ireland

There's a United Kingdom, and there's an Ireland, not a United Kingdom and Ireland. They are neighbours, but you can't group the two together. Just like you wouldn't refer to "Germany and France". Maybe add Ireland, or both even, to the Western Europe section? Beyonce (talk) 21:22, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

If they do Pancakes the same, why shouldn't they be covered together? Australia and New Zealand are listed together. --Escape Orbit ^(Talk) 21:36, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Well, where does it say that they do pancakes the same? In fact, Ireland isn't mentioned at all in that section :-) It currently includes England, Scotland and Wales - so the title should really be "United Kingdom" only. Beyonce (talk) 21:58, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

Nobody seems to be complaining about Australia and New Zealand sharing a section. Nor the North America section which appears to include Canada, the USA, the West Indies and the Dominican Republic. ŞůṜīΣĻ¹98¹^Speak 22:19, 21 February 2012 (UTC)

But all of those examples actually mention those countries in those sections. Whereas the UK and Ireland section doesn't mention a word about Ireland. Ireland has a long and difficult history with Britain, so being lazily lumped inaccurately in with the old colonial power is still a sensitive issue. The Australia+NZ-type examples are not really comparable. Beyonce (talk) 22:37, 21 February 2012 (UTC)