Talk:Persian language

Merger proposal

All the linguistics knows that Dari (Eastern Persian), Farsi, Tajiki are the same language but different names and as every languages there are different dialects in each one (such as English and other languages). I invite you to discuss about Merging these 3 languages in one with all the names we all called it and name each ones as a dialect with a separated page. So, in first step, I propose that Dari (Eastern Persian) be merged into Persian language with its name as Dari enlisted on the introduction info on this page. P. Pajouhesh (talk) 09:58, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

I don't think a merger is in order. We have separate articles on several national written standards of English, too. Also, Iranian Persian, Afghan Persian and Tajik (Persian) are each based on a different dialect group; Western, Eastern (Southeastern) and Northern (Northeastern or Central Asian) Persian respectively. The articles serve to describe those dialectal (mainly phonological and morphological) differences, even if they are relatively minor, besides other differences such as vocabulary and script. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 00:56, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

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The Parsi-ye Dari used historically is a wide encompassing term, and it is the term "Dari" which was adopted by the Afghanistan government. Parsi-ye Dari is one of the formal historical name and it has been added from here: [1], other interesting info .."The former, as represented by literary Middle Persian, retained most its ancient form; the latter evolved from the same Persian language, which had spread throughout the north, but evinced the influence of the dialects that it had supplanted there, particularly Parthian."[2]

Please re-add what I added to the article. The Full name is Parsi-ye Dari in Persian literature but most of the time, it is shortened to Parsi and sometimes to "Dari". Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.222.120 (talk) 11:17, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

That article is a historical account about Dari:

Darī was contrasted to Pahlavi, sometimes when the latter term designated literary Middle Persian, as in the Zarātošt-nāma (p. 2) and the Šāh-nāma (Moscow, VIII, p. 254), and sometimes when it referred to Medo-Parthian dialects, as in Masʿūdī (p. 78) and probably also in the Šāh-nāma (I, p. 44, in connection with the word bīvar “ten thousand”). It was sometimes also distinguished from pārsī. Moqaddesī (p. 259) mentioned darī as one of the Iranian dialects “that together are known as parsī.” A century later Keykāvūs b. Eskandar (in ca. 475/1082-83; p. 208) advised letter writers to avoid the use of “pure pārsī” (pārsī-e moṭlaq), that is, free of Arabic words, “for it is displeasing, especially pārsī-edarī, which is not usual,” implying the existence of other kinds of pārsī. Darī thus seems to have been a variety of pārsī, as is confirmed by the expression pārsī-e darī (Ar. al-fārsīya al-dārīya) frequently found in early text. The variant pārsī o darī, which also occurs in Persian manuscripts (e.g., Šāh-nāma VIII, p. 254), is a distortion, as Parvīz Ḵānlarī correctly noted (p. 273).

Your edit [3] saying Farsi is "also called pārsī-e darī" isn't supported by the article. Lebanese 876 (talk) 11:33, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

See the intro.. it is an alternative name : "DARĪ, name given to the New Persian literary language at a very early date and widely attested in Arabic" and "Darī thus seems to have been a variety of pārsī, as is confirmed by the expression pārsī-e darī (Ar. al-fārsīya al-dārīya) frequently found in early text." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.222.120 (talk) 03:39, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

Varieties and dialects section (linguistic classifications/names, main/native names)

Both varieties and dialects require good work to get this article (or other Persian related articles) stabilized. To help improving content, both linguistic classifications (names) and main/native names mentioned. Specially classifications require reliable linguistic researches and books. Thanks. Gazaneh (talk) 15:20, 22 September 2011 (UTC)

IP 64.180.38.59 edits

I reported this ip address. See article version history for more information. Gazaneh (talk) 05:05, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

I've reverted a couple of his edits throughout the project, going through his contributions, but without more powerful tools it's just a hell of a lot of work to check (and, where necessary, undo) all of them. --Florian Blaschke (talk) 20:39, 26 September 2011 (UTC)

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