Talk:Pornography in Japan

2009

Overdue parliament on possession

"Critics including Washington's ambassador to Tokyo say Japan's failure to ban possession has hampered international investigations into child porn rings. In June 2008, a bill to ban possession of child porn was submitted to parliament's lower house. It is set to be debated in a parliament session expected to start in September."

Presumably this meant September 2008? If so, then it should have happened 6 months ago. Are there any updates, did this happen, has it been delayed? Results? Tyciol (talk) 18:31, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Mystery of the lost fact sheet

In February 2006, Hipocrite added a January fact sheet here which Gerbrant later removed here in March after finding out it was inactive. This was pulled in the span of 2 months. Is there any information on what occured? Did the RCMP react to their citation being identified on the talk page a month after they did so? Is there any information on the exact date it was pulled? If possible, if either of you managed to save a copy of it, it would be a valable archive. Tyciol (talk) 18:42, 18 March 2009 (UTC)

Lolicon Doujinshi

I have removed the line "It has become increasingly popular to include depictions of underage girls, known as lolicon." Because it both lacks a citation and is unconstructive, as it casts a negative light by making doujinshi seem akin to child pornography. If you can find a citation for this statement feel free to repost it. Thanks.

Good move. This whole article is extremely biased and poorly sourced... It needs a complete overhaul eventually. Dekkappai (talk) 15:18, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

I agree with that. This article is in serious need of a cleanup. 219.160.36.239 (talk) 23:29, 17 March 2011 (UTC)DK

Rape,Sado-Masochism, and Bondage

I've removed "in themes including rape, sado-masochism and bondage" because like the above post, casts a negative light to this article. All kinds of pornography have things the some people consider amoral. Pointing the worst out is unconstructive and biased. I have also removed the line "most men involved in compensated dating will take the hymen with them as a memento" After living in japan for 8 years, and having discussed compensation dating with my friends who have used the service before, i have found no evidence of this happening, and they have never heard of this before. Of course, should find a citation for this claim, i will not remove it. On removing "Goukan Pure ("rape play"): This genre involves simulated rape." as a sub genre of Japanese pornography, it is a sub genre of pornography popular around the world, and by including it as a sub-genre in this article, it is made to seem that it is only popular in Japan, and thus cast a negative light on Japan in general. --Lucky-Neko-San (talk) 04:34, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I encourage you to work more on this article, Neko-san. I agree that it's poorly-written, poorly-sourced, and very biased. As it stands, the more you remove, the better, as far as I'm concerned. Here are a few sources that might help if you want to start substituting the unsourced bias with sourced material:

• da Silva, Joaquín (2006-10-24). "Obscenity and Article 175 of the Japanese Penal Code: A Short Introduction to Japanese Censorship". http://es.geocities.com/eiga9/articulos/obscenity.html. Retrieved 2008-02-12. 
• Diamond, Milton; Ayako Uchiyama (1999). "Pornography, Rape and Sex Crimes in Japan". Pacific Center for Sex and Society; University Of Hawai`i. http://www.hawaii.edu/PCSS/online_artcls/pornography/prngrphy_rape_jp.html. Retrieved 2007-02-18. 
• Fornander, Kjell (July 1992). "A Star is Porn". Tokyo Journal. Archived from the original on 2006-05-16. http://web.archive.org/web/20060516235928/http://www2.gol.com/users/coynerhm/pornborn.html. Retrieved 2007-04-25. 
• Iwamura, Rosemary (1994). "Letter from Japan: From Girls Who Dress Up Like Boys To Trussed-up Porn Stars - Some of the Contemporary Heroines on the Japanese Screen". Continuum: The Australian Journal of Media & Culture, vol. 7 no. 2. http://wwwmcc.murdoch.edu.au/ReadingRoom/7.2/Iwamura.html. Retrieved 2007-04-25. 

I've got a lot more sourcing, but it deals with the subject as entertainment-- covering directors, performers, films, etc. rather than the dry socio-legal aspects an article of this type probably needs. Dekkappai (talk) 05:58, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks Dekkappai, il try to rewrite or remove most of the bias and add some things to the article, and thanks for the helpful links. Also, I am having trouble finding any reliable sources on the history of the pornography industry in Japan, although sources relating to the Penal Code 175 are plentiful. I also have a question, am I allow to cite web pages in the Japanese language as a source? As there is quite a bit of good, unbiased information in Japanese based web articles regarding this subject. --Lucky-Neko-San (talk) 15:16, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Good luck on that, Neko-san. I've been doing a lot of work on the subject of Japanese erotic entertainment, from the entertainment perspective. I've hesitated to work on this particular article partly because I dislike fighting with POV-warriors (which I suspect changing this article may lead to), partly because I'm not really interested in the sociological or legal aspects, which this article probably needs, and partly because this article just needs to be gutted and started over from scratch. I browsed through it last night, and it looks like the only sourced statements are from those with the most ignorance/bias towards the subject... I'll be happy to help out though. I could probably chip in with some history. The larger articles I've been working on-- Pink film and Chronology of adult videos in Japan-- and the biography and film articles that link off them-- might be of some help for this article also. A glance through the Pink Grand Prix article will give an idea of what's really considered "notable" in that field also-- needless to say, no kiddy-porn. If one had a strong bias in that direction, one could hone in on the U.S. "high school cheerleader" fetish, the prominence of male porn stars, etc. to say a lot of, ahem, controversial things about the American character too, I suppose... :) About Japanese sources: English sourcing is always preferred, but if your writing on a topic which simply doesn't have much English sourcing, Japanese is fine. You'll see them all over the place in the articles I've linked to. Dekkappai (talk) 16:01, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your help. I look forward to helping clear up "Western" misconceptions and bias regarding the pornography industry in Japan, which Wikipedia articles like this have probably helped to spread. :) --Lucky-Neko-San (talk) 16:12, 28 June 2009 (UTC)

I've again removed the line " Virgins demand a very high premium, and many girls will get their hymen reattached although most men involved in compensated dating will take the hymen with them as a memento." This is ridiculously ignorant of female anatomy and it's embarrassing to find this kind of nonsense on Wikipedia. The existence of a hymen is not synonymous with virginity, and the hymen also does not simply pop out intact following sex. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.62.54.74 (talk) 20:03, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

Well, I've got a couple articles on the "Second Time Virgin" (to quote Wakamatsu) phenomenon. Actress Kyōko Aizome made the news for having the procedure done for one of her film performances. But this practise, now defunct I think, was pretty tangential to pornography. I believe one of the articles said it was popular with "second honeymoon"ers. Good removals. Dekkappai (talk) 20:13, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

援助交際 Enjo kōsai

In most parts of Japan this IS illegal.

Dating a 13 year old is illegal in most parts of Japan as well. In most areas now the age of consent is between 18 and 20.

It is of course still a popular type of porn, but I would suggest rewording the section, I am just not sure what to say. :P Emry (talk) 10:54, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Enjo kōsai, dating with payment, is a way of prostitution rather than pornography.

Age of consent in Japan is 13, so sexual intercourse with penis insertion into vagina under 13 is deemed as criminal assault on the penal code. However, just a dating such as a boy and a girl kisses is not illegal, of course.

This issue seems to be suitable for the article on prostitution of children.

Wetfinder (talk) 12:35, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

My point is that the age of consent in most of Japan is NOT 13. In most areas now, 15 or 16 even will get you jail time for a long time. Your information is about ten years out of date. Even if the federal law does not state such, the prefectural laws do. Emry (talk) 14:37, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Censored

Does anyone know why Japanese porn sometimes has a blur over the genitals? Portillo (talk) 05:52, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

Exposing genitals is interpreted as violation of article 175 of the penal code (1907)　[1], exposing pubic hair is also illegal before 1990s.

Pixelization (ja:モザイク処理) is popular way in digital media. Before the digital age, films are blurred with optical technique and imported printed matter with pornography is masked the genitals and pubic hair with scratching or black ink.

Distributing pornography with genital exposure is illegal today in Japan. So, Wikipedia/Wikimedia users in Japan cannot upload photo or video of genitals, however, downloading is not banned by laws.

Wetfinder (talk) 12:35, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Can we put this in the article? --mboverload@ 06:53, 11 July 2010 (UTC)