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[edit] List of pretenders forked
I have deleted the Modern pretenders and created a new list at List of current pretenders. Please discuss these new changes on that talk page. Cheers, Nightw 07:00, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
[edit] Austria and Hungary
Isn't Otto's son Charles, now the pretender? Otta has given up the headship of their House. GoodDay (talk) 05:34, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
- I'm not sure. Do you have any sources to show? Nightw 07:39, 23 November 2010 (UTC)
[edit] How about Arthur I of Brittany?
He really had the rightful claim, and his actions also suggested he wanted the English throne.Heinrich ⅩⅦ von Bayern (talk) 06:44, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Definition
'The term pretender is applied to those persons on whose behalf a claim to a throne is advanced, regardless of whether that person himself actually makes an active claim.' This section of the definition has a note from 2007 requesting a citation. This statement can easily be disputed. The throne of India no longer exists, but Elizabeth II can by no means be classed a pretender to the Indian throne. The thrones of Austria and Hungary no longer exist, but Otto von Habsburg cannot be named as a pretyender, especially as he has particularly renounced those thrones. 'On whose behalf a claim to a throne is advanced' is troublesome. How many advocates make a pretender? A few nutjobs or a significant minority of a population? I'm going to remove the sentence unless someone can restore it with a suitable citation. I realise this will be problematic for a number of articles, but surely we can rise to the challenge.Gazzster (talk) 04:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
you raise a good point. I think the point that is trying to be made in the article, is that not all pretenders are actively seeking their throne. Really the term though is applied to heirs, and people who have a claim regardless of whether or not it is advanced. Although many make a claim by using a title of pretense. Such as the Prince of Prussia, who by using this title asserts himself as heir, but does not seek the throne. However, I do not see why Elizabeth II can't be seen as pretender to the imperial throne of India? I guess the question is an heir different than a pretender? 71.194.44.209 (talk) 04:38, 26 May 2011 (UTC)
