Talk:Religion in the Philippines

Islam

For some reason Islam is omitted here. MrOakes (talk) 21:27, 14 December 2009 (UTC)MrOakes

I will do my best to restore the original Islam section within the day.--Jondel (talk) 01:02, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

The entry in Islam was duplicated. I cannot edit it, hence I'm logging into the discussion page OnesimusUnbound (talk) 02:51, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Sheesh! Thanks for noticing. I'm correcting this. Please wait out the protection expiration. --Jondel (talk) 03:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

And thanks for fixing this. It appears that I'm responsible for the duplication, which I perpetuated by reverting this editwhere an anonymous editor removed a section headed Islam without explanation. Apparently, I reverted it after looking at the diffs and didn't check the article itself. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:18, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Your intentions were good. I accidentally created the original duplication in my haste.--Jondel (talk) 02:58, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Roman Catholicism

1987 Philippine Constitution ARTICLE III BILL OF RIGHTS Section 5. No law shall be made respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof. The free exercise and enjoyment of religious profession and worship, without discrimination or preference, shall forever be allowed. No religious test shall be required for the exercise of civil or political rights.

== The Philippines & East Timor are not the only one's that has dominant Christian population. == South Korea is the 3rd nation in East Asia that has a large Christian population.

Dominant means majority. South Korea's Christians is only 29.3% of its total population. Jbvillarante (talk) 06:01, 8 April 2008 (UTC) ===WRONG 2009 encarta ===<url "http://encarta.msn.com/fact_631504864/south_korea_facts_and_figures.html"> Christianity has already climbed to 41 %. what's amazing about the growth of in the percentage of Asians that are Christians is that it is the result of people in those countries converting not high birth rates of people who are already Christian or Christians moving from other countries (like what happens with islam).

Calm down!

If you specify areas of bias and discrimination, it would be easy to maintain neutrality!--Jondel 13:09, 13 October 2006 (UTC)

Thanks to wikipedia for its responsible implementation of neutrality in every article of this web site.

A million thanks to wikipedia. You guys are always teaching the bad vandals to obey the moral rules regarding I.T use."THANK YOU".

Atheism and agnosticism section

I have just severely modified the assertions in this section. The article previously sais, "There is a growing population of atheists and agnostics living in the Philippines. They make up about 10.9% of the total population, but it is increasingly growing.", citing Zuckerman, Phil. "Atheism: Contemporary Rates and Patterns ", The Cambridge Companion to Atheism, ed. by Michael Martin, Cambridge University Press: Cambridge, UK 2005), p 53 in support. I looked online at page 53 of the 2007 edition, and found: "According to Inglehart et al. (2004), Barret et aL. (2001), the 1999 Gallup International Poll, and Johnstone (1993), less than 1 percent of those in Indonesia, Bangladesh, Brunei, Thailand, Sri Lanka, Iran, Malasia, Nepal, Laos, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and the Philippines are nonbeleivers in God. While I was at it, I fleshed out the cite and updated it to provide links to the 2007 edition. -- Boracay Bill (talk) 02:40, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

very biased article, how can you not include a sentence saying by far the majority are Christians ?

any other country that was at least 90 % member of one faith group would have overemphasize it. i'm not going write it though because I didn't create this page, I'm not a member of the select wikipedia editors group, and so it would probably be deleted within a day. i hope someone has the courage to include that in the article. Christianity might be even bigger in the Phillipines than most western countries. I think most of the Christians are Catholics but the protestant community is growing very fast. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.7.238.92 (talk) 22:29, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

the writer is very biased or very forgetful!

notice how the writer of this article talks about every religion in the philippinnes or however it is spelled but not about is lam, i mean come on, each religion has a header except for islam, and it is the second largest religiong in the country! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.142.37.182 (talk) 18:22, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

I will do my best to restore the original Islam section within the day.--Jondel (talk) 01:05, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism

The article is being vandalized and thus protected. There are recent attempts to remove the Islamic section. The protection will be removed in 2 weeks time. I will being monitoring this and placing protection as appropriate as vandlism occurs. --Jondel (talk) 00:54, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

90% and 70% Christian

The CIA's The World Factbook has the following figures: Catholic 82.9% (Roman Catholic 80.9%, Aglipayan 2%), Muslim 5%, Evangelical 2.8%, Iglesia ni Kristo 2.3%, other Christian 4.5%, other 1.8%, unspecified 0.6%, none 0.1% (2000 census)

The Japanese study has the following figures and is more recent: 71.5% Roman Catholic, 11% irreligious, 3.2% Muslims, 1.8% Protestant Christians, 2.5% Buddhists, and the remaining 12.6% unknown. (2006 survey)

I personally would trust The World Factbook figures more, but is it out-of-date? I don't really care which values should be put in, but the article needs to be consistent. At the beginning of the article, it's saying there are 73.3% Christians ± 12.6% from the unknowns, yet at the body, the number becomes 90%. Which should be used?-- Obsidi♠n Soul 03:42, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Please also see WP:V and WP:DUE. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 04:32, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

There are two sources. Both saying different things, both are used in the article and contradicting each other. I'm asking which one to use, not advocating one over the other. I know the policies thank you very much. -- Obsidi♠n Soul 05:35, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Sigh, apologies for being brusque, but pointing out policies I already am very familiar with doesn't help. We need to reach a consensus on which source to use. The status quo of glaring contradictions in the article isn't serving anyone.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 05:40, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

((ec)) I see that the CIA Factbook info is from the 2000 census, and the info from the Japanese source is vintage 2006.

• Peter J. Thompson (2009), The Christian story: past, present and future, AuthorHouse, pp. 118, ISBN 978-1-4490-2341-6, http://books.google.com/books?id=3qFtQdatGuwC  says (as of 2009) that over 90% of the population was Christian, mainly Roman Catholic.
• USA International Business Publications; Ibp Usa (2007), Philippines Foreign Policy and Government Guide, Int'l Business Publications, pp. 9, ISBN 978-1-4330-3978-2, http://books.google.com/books?id=hM6QpnNPHi8C  says (as of 2007) about 83& Roman Catholic, 9% Protestant.
• July-December, 2010 International Religious Freedom Report, U.S. Department of State, http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2010_5/168372.htm  says that according to the National Statistics Office, approximately 93 percent of the population is Christian. Roman Catholics, the largest religious group, constitute 80 to 85 percent of the total population.
• Marshall Cavendish Corporation (2007), World and Its Peoples: Eastern and Southern Asia, Marshall Cavendish, pp. 1256, ISBN 978-0-7614-7642-9, http://books.google.com/books?id=72VwCFtYHCgC  says (as of 2007) that around 81% are Roman catholic and 11% belong to other Christian churches.
• Robbie B. H. Goh; Institute of Southeast Asian Studies (2005), Christianity in Southeast Asia, Institute of Southeast Asian Studies, pp. 19, ISBN 978-981-230-297-7, http://books.google.com/books?id=Yh3cAAYsi2UC  says (as of 2005) that about 93% of the population was Christian.
• Antonio F. Moreno (2006), Church, state, and civil society in postauthoritarian Philippines: narratives of engaged citizenship, Ateneo de Manila University Press, pp. 33, ISBN 978-971-550-494-2, http://books.google.com/books?id=Yo_TF9QOgIAC  (as of 2006) gives figures from cited academic sources for Christians in the 90ish percent range for years in the 1980s and 1990s.
• John Schwarz (2004), A Handbook of the Christian Faith, Bethany House, pp. 174, ISBN 978-0-7642-2906-0, http://books.google.com/books?id=LEe5MXCMg_IC  says (as of 2004) that 90% of the population were professing Christianity.
• Douglas Jacobsen (2011), The World's Christians: Who They Are, Where They Are, and How They Got There, John Wiley and Sons, pp. 177, ISBN 978-1-4443-9729-1, http://books.google.com/books?id=6bivgXYZbuoC  says (as of 2011) that 77 million were Christian out of a population of 85 million (90.6%).
• IBP USA; USA International Business Publications (2007), Philippines Country Study Guide, Int'l Business Publications, pp. 88, ISBN 978-1-4330-3970-6, http://books.google.com/books?id=J8VkaWS6xiMC  said (in 2007) that in 1997 91.5% of the population was Christian.
• Ronald H. Bayor (2011), Multicultural America: An Encyclopedia of the Newest Americans, ABC-CLIO, pp. 727, ISBN 978-0-313-35786-2, http://books.google.com/books?id=YN9jC2_7UHYC  said in 2011 that as of then approximately 85% of the population were Christian.
• Michael Pocock; Gailyn Van Rheenen; Douglas McConnell (2005), The changing face of world missions: engaging contemporary issues and trends, Baker Academic, pp. 138, ISBN 978-0-8010-2661-4, http://books.google.com/books?id=hSlUS36w6dcC  said (in 2005) that the Philippines was 93% Christian.
• Setsuho Ikehata; Lydia N. Yu-Jose (2003), Philippines-Japan relations, Ateneo de Manila University Press, pp. 224, ISBN 978-971-550-436-2, http://books.google.com/books?id=I2r60mI9GBIC  said in 2003 that the Philippines was 91% Christian.
• Khaled Anatolios; Stephen F. Brown; Martin Palmer (2009), Catholicism & Orthodox Christianity, Infobase Publishing, pp. 18, ISBN 978-1-60413-106-2, http://books.google.com/books?id=3KePZKSVUgwC  said in 2009 that the Philippines was 88% Christian.
• Joseph J. Hobbs; Andrew Dolan (2008), World Regional Geography, Cengage Learning, pp. 362, ISBN 978-0-495-38950-7, http://books.google.com/books?id=yAgGHnENHjoC  said in 2008 that 81% of the population were Roman Catholic and 10% adherants of other Christian denominations.
• H. J. de Blij; Peter O. Muller; Antoinette Winklerprins; Jan Nijman (2010), The World Today: Concepts and Regions in Geography, John Wiley and Sons, pp. 425, ISBN 978-0-470-64638-0, http://books.google.com/books?id=l4V50jYkWRgC  said in 2010 that the philippines was 83& Roman Catholic and 8% Protestant.
• Michael Edward Brown; Šumit Ganguly (1997), Government policies and ethnic relations in Asia and the Pacific, MIT Press, pp. 321, ISBN 978-0-262-52245-8, http://books.google.com/books?id=v-4c1-6kgHEC  said (as of 1997) that 92% of Filipinos were christian.
• Kathleen M. Adams; Kathleen A. Gillogly (2011), Everyday Life in Southeast Asia, Indiana University Press, pp. 166, ISBN 978-0-253-22321-0, http://books.google.com/books?id=sVsAFeo1KjgC  said in 2011 that according to the census in 2000 80.9% were Roman Catholic and 11.6% other Christian denominations.
• Edward P. Lipton (2002), Religious freedom in Asia, Nova Publishers, pp. 165, ISBN 978-1-59033-391-4, http://books.google.com/books?id=HO4nIbBGUjEC  said in 2002 that according to the 1990 census 85% were Roman catholic and 8.7% were of other Christian denominations.
• Barbara A. Weightman (2011), Dragons and Tigers: A Geography of South, East, and Southeast Asia, John Wiley and Sons, pp. 11, ISBN 978-0-470-87628-2, http://books.google.com/books?id=qeBfed17zxEC  said in 2011 that the Philippines was 80% Roman Catholic.

It appears to me that the figures in the Japanese source are overwhelmed by the weight of other contradicting figures. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 05:53, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Yes, seems so. So should it be removed and replaced with something else?-- Obsidi♠n Soul 05:58, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

I would say so. I probably should have done that in the time I took putting together the above info. I've run myself out of time, though -- gotta pack, and I'll be traveling tomorrow. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:04, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

I'll do it. I'll use the CIA source as it's the only one in the bunch that also includes figures of other religions. Cheers and have a safe trip.-- Obsidi♠n Soul 06:10, 31 January 2012 (UTC)