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Wasn't one of the houses in the Estate Section used in the film The Godfather? 68.173.11.219 (talk) 21:07, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


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The subway stop in the Kerouac quote is actually in Kingsbridge. There are no subway stops in Riverdale.68.40.61.55 (talk) 20:48, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Isn't Riverdale in the south Bronx?

No, it's in the northwest corner of the borough. Rhobite 23:59, 7 February 2006 (UTC)
You're right. Sorry.

Shouldn't some mention of the large Jewish comunity be made?

It already does mention the Jewish community, but feel free to expand. Rhobite 00:30, 21 February 2006 (UTC)

[edit] Merge from Hudson Hill, Bronx

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The result was merge Hudson Hill, Bronx into Riverdale, Bronx. -- Scytheml (talk) 18:33, 13 July 2008 (UTC)

The article Hudson Hill, Bronx provides no sources, let alone any that show it to be an independent neighborhood. I know exactly what area is intended, but no source seems to use "Hudson Hill" or "Riverdale Estates" to define a neighborhood. Searches in Google News / Archive and in The New York Times turn up nothing. I strongly suggest that the Hudson Hill article be merged into the article for Riverdale, unless appropriate reliable and verifiable sources exist and can be added to support the existence of the neighborhood with that name and of the claims made in the article. Alansohn (talk) 13:33, 7 July 2008 (UTC)

I understand your concern. The truth is that I couldn't find any reliable sources either. Therefore, I merely went door to door and documented a couple of first hand accounts from the neighborhood. There are many subsections of many neighborhoods that are only referred to as such by the neighborhood's residents, c.f. North Riverdale. My only objection to the proposed "merger" is that all the other subsections of Riverdale have their own pages. I have e-mailed Robert E. Hill Real Estate and I can cite the return e-mail when it comes. I understand your concern, but be patient. In addition, the term "Riverdale Estates" can be found on the Robert E. Hill website; if you prefer "Estates Area." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.59.154.143 (talk) 02:04, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

I support the merge; I just went through the entire LexisNexis database and found nothing for either "hudson hill" bronx or "hudson hill" riverdale that did not refer to either Hudson Hills Press[1] or the Hudson Hills Golf Course[2] (neither of which are near the area in question). If 0 results on LexisNexis isn't good evidence of a lack of evidence, I don't know what is.
Other neighborhoods DO have good sources for them. I'll take your example, "North Riverdale". Over 175 hits on LexisNexis. Example link? Second one; a New York Times article from February 4th, 2007 entitled: Going Kosher and Signaling a Change. First sentence? "On the east side of the street, North Riverdale seems as solidly Irish Catholic as it has for generations."[3]
Until You can find something like that for Hudson Hills, it must go under Riverdale. Scytheml (talk) 02:35, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
A listing of sources for other regions within Riverdale:
Scytheml (talk) 02:37, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
You also cannot cite the email from the Robert E. Hill website as it is still original research Scytheml (talk) 02:39, 8 July 2008 (UTC)


Confronted with both your abundant counterevidence and your arguments, I must agree that Hudson Hill should merge into the Riverdale article. I will do my best to facilitate that process - and welcome any help. Once I can persuade Hudson Hill residents to support their claims - perhaps a letter the community board etc.. - I will separate the article.

mturkel (talk) 02:46, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Actually, before I do anything, one quick question. I can unquestionably provide sources that "Hudson Hill" is called the "Estate Area." Might I not merely change every instance of the name "Hudson Hill" to "Estate Area?" mturkel (talk) 03:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

Remember that not only do you need to provide sources--you need to provide reliable sources. Consider this quote from a New York Times article

At three square miles, Riverdale is a sort of miniborough, comprising several neighborhoods within a strip of the Bronx stretching from the Harlem River to Westchester County, wedged between the Hudson River and Van Cortlandt Park. From north to south, they are: North Riverdale, Fieldston, Central Riverdale, South Riverdale and Spuyten Duyvil. [17]

This source is considered to be a very good one because it appears in an internationally recognized and respected newspaper. Now, remember that

In general, the most reliable sources are peer-reviewed journals and books published in university presses; university-level textbooks; magazines, journals, and books published by respected publishing houses; and mainstream newspapers. As a rule of thumb, the greater the degree of scrutiny involved in checking facts, analyzing legal issues, and scrutinizing the evidence and arguments of a particular work, the more reliable it is. (from Wikipedia:Verifiability)

. If you think your sources are reliable enough (and thus can appropriately be said to update new changes in the Riverdale neighborhood since at least 2006), then create a new article for "Riverdale Estates". Scytheml (talk) 03:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

In the meantime, since (I'm pretty sure) all parties agree, I think the information should in the meantime be moved into Riverdale for now. Scytheml (talk) 03:21, 8 July 2008 (UTC)

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