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[edit] Merger proposal: Thomas G. Plante
- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- The result was no consensus to merge. (NAC) Armbrust, B.Ed. Let's talkabout my edits? 13:51, 3 January 2012 (UTC)
I propose that Thomas G. Plante be merged into Catholic sex abuse cases. The notable part of the content in Thomas G. Plante relates exclusively to the Catholic clergy sex abuse scandal, and hence can and should be explained in that context. The addition is of minimal length, consisting of citations from Times and a few other news outlets, and should not significantly alter the length of the Catholic sex abuse cases article. Ajoykt (talk) 05:19, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- Oppose. The individual has other notable activities and meets criteria for separate article. -- Presearch (talk) 14:41, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
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- The article now also cites media coverage of Plante on other issues unrelated to clergy sexual abuse. -- Presearch (talk) 16:52, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- None of that coverage is notable, they are incidental. When the article was created, it was the work on catholic clergy that was cited as the notability reason. Ajoykt (talk) 16:58, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- The other press coverage certainly undercuts your original arguments for merger, which were weak to begin with. This individual obviously has notability, has broad interests and makes noted and media-covered contributions in a number of areas, and no supportable reasons have been offered for a merger. Your sudden interest in reducing Wikipedia's coverage of this individual on multiple pages seems odd. -- Presearch (talk) 17:26, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- The other coverage on Wikipedia was all added by you, the creator of the page, and none of it is notable, those are routine activities expected of a college professor. The other press coverage too, recently added, is not noticeable. The central noticeability aspect of the article is the work on clergy sex abuse alone. I realize noticeability is subjective, depending on what areas one considers important. I think we should just wait for a third opinion, not linked to either of us.17:57, 17 December 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ajoykt (talk • contribs)
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- Other activities may not establish notability of this individual, but in many cases they involve notable topics. For example, several of his books are notable, having generated multiple reviews in relevant publications. Wikipedia does not operate by the principle that biographies of multifaceted people should be merged into the single topic for which they are most notable, or which best establishes their notability. FYI, I am mostly done with a page about one of his notable books. --Presearch (talk) 02:38, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
- As regards academic notability, the criteria are here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Notability_%28academics%29. Here is a list of his publications showing up in "Web of Knowledge." One doesn't assess academic contributions by number of reviews, but by number of citations. As can be seen in excerpts from "The Web of Knowledge," he is a poorly cited researcher (the sample is not complete, but are the first few pages which show up - the trend is unmistakably clear, especially where he is the first author). Plante has a an H-index of 12, per Scopus. To see where that ranks in Psychology/Psychiatry, go to: http://academic.research.microsoft.com/RankList?entitytype=2&topDomainID=6&subDomainID=22&last=0&start=1&end=100 and check - by the time you get to an H-index of 12, you are on page 27, with each page having 100 entries. That indicates "no academic notability," especially for somebody in the field for more than 25 years.
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Title: Exercising with an iPod, Friend, or Neither: Which is Better for Psychological Benefits? Author(s): Plante Thomas G.; Gustafson Carissa; Brecht Carrie; et al. Source: AMERICAN JOURNAL OF HEALTH BEHAVIOR Volume: 35 Issue: 2 Pages: 199-208 Published: 2011 Times Cited: 0 (from All Databases)
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Title: Managing Change on Complex Programs: VIRGINIA Class Cost Reduction Author(s): Johnson David C.; Drakeley George M.; Plante Thomas N.; et al. Source: NAVAL ENGINEERS JOURNAL Volume: 121 Issue: 4 Pages: 79-94 DOI: 10.1111/j.1559-3584.2009.00230.x Published: 2009 Times Cited: 0 (from All Databases)
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Title: Prospective study of religious coping among patients undergoing autologous stem cell transplantation Author(s): Sherman Allen C.; Plante Thomas G.; Simonton Stephanie; et al. Source: JOURNAL OF BEHAVIORAL MEDICINE Volume: 32 Issue: 1 Pages: 118-128 DOI: 10.1007/s10865-008-9179-y Published: FEB 2009 Times Cited: 0 (from All Databases)
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Title: A prospective study of religious coping and health outcomes among patients undergoing stem cell transplantation Author(s): Sherman Allen C.; Plante Thomas G.; Simonton Stephanie; et al. Source: ANNALS OF BEHAVIORAL MEDICINE Volume: 35 Supplement: 1 Pages: S158-S158 Published: MAR 2008 Times Cited: 0 (from All Databases)
Title: Integrating spirituality and psychotherapy: Ethical issues and principles to consider Author(s): Plante Thomas G. Source: JOURNAL OF CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGY Volume: 63 Issue: 9 Pages: 891-902 DOI: 10.1002/jclp.20383 Published: SEP 2007 Times Cited: 5 (from All Databases)
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Title: Ethical considerations for psychologists screening applicants for the priesthood in the catholic church: Implications of the Vatican instruction on homosexuality Author(s): Plante Thomas G. Source: ETHICS & BEHAVIOR Volume: 17 Issue: 2 Pages: 131-136 Published: 2007 Times Cited: 0 (from All Databases)
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Title: Religious faith and spirituality in substance abuse recovery - Determining the mental health benefits Author(s): Pardini DA; Plante TG; Sherman A; et al. Source: JOURNAL OF SUBSTANCE ABUSE TREATMENT Volume: 19 Issue: 4 Pages: 347-354 DOI: 10.1016/S0740-5472(00)00125-2 Published: DEC 2000 Times Cited: 56 (from All Databases)
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Title: TRAINING CHILD CLINICAL PREDOCTORAL INTERNS AND POSTDOCTORAL FELLOWS IN ETHICS AND PROFESSIONAL ISSUES - AN EXPERIENTIAL MODEL Author(s): PLANTE TG Source: PROFESSIONAL PSYCHOLOGY-RESEARCH AND PRACTICE Volume: 26 Issue: 6 Pages: 616-619 DOI: 10.1037/0735-7028.26.6.616 Published: DEC 1995 Times Cited: 12 (from All Databases)
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Title: Ethical considerations for psychologists screening applicants for the priesthood in the catholic church: Implications of the Vatican instruction on homosexuality Author(s): Plante Thomas G. Source: ETHICS & BEHAVIOR Volume: 17 Issue: 2 Pages: 131-136 Published: 2007 Times Cited: 0 (from All Databases)
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Title: Encyclopedia of psychotherapy, vol 1-2 Author(s): Plante TG Source: CONTEMPORARY PSYCHOLOGY-APA REVIEW OF BOOKS Volume: 49 Issue: 2 Pages: 154-156 Published: APR 2004 Times Cited: 0 (from All Databases)
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Title: Bishops behaving badly: Ethical considerations regarding the clergy abuse crisis in the Roman Catholic Church Author(s): Plante TG Source: ETHICS & BEHAVIOR Volume: 14 Issue: 1 Pages: 67-73 Published: 2004 Times Cited: 4 (from All Databases)
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Title: Moral friends can help each other create a more humane, just, and ethical world Author(s): Plante TG Source: ETHICS & BEHAVIOR Volume: 14 Issue: 1 Pages: 84-87 Published: 2004 Times Cited: 0 (from All Databases)
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Title: Might virtual reality promote the mood benefits of exercise? Author(s): Plante TG; Aldridge A; Bogden R; et al. Source: COMPUTERS IN HUMAN BEHAVIOR Volume: 19 Issue: 4 Pages: 495-509 Article Number: PII S0747-5632(02)00074-2 DOI: 10.1016/S0747-5632(02)00074-2 Published: JUL 2003 Times Cited: 14 (from All Databases)
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Title: Does virtual reality enhance the psychological benefits of exercise? Author(s): Plante TG; Frazier S; Tittle A; et al. Source: JOURNAL OF HUMAN MOVEMENT STUDIES Volume: 45 Issue: 6 Pages: 485-507 Published: 2003 Times Cited: 1 (from All Databases)
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Title: Psychological benefits of exercising with another Author(s): Plante TG; Bogdan R; Kanani Z; et al. Source: JOURNAL OF HUMAN MOVEMENT STUDIES Volume: 44 Issue: 2 Pages: 93-106 Published: 2003 Times Cited: 3 (from All Databases)
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Title: Stress and health: Research and clinical applications. Author(s): Plante TG Source: INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF STRESS MANAGEMENT Volume: 9 Issue: 2 Pages: 125-126 Article Number: UNSP 1072-5245/02/0400-0125/0 DOI: 10.1023/A:1014958804643 Published: APR 2002 Times Cited: 0 (from All Databases)
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Title: Stress and coping among displaced Bosnian refugees: An exploratory study Author(s): Plante TG; Simicic A; Andersen EN; et al. Source: INTERNATIONAL JOURNAL OF STRESS MANAGEMENT Volume: 9 Issue: 1 Pages: 31-41 DOI: 10.1023/A:1013015017147 Published: JAN 2002 Times Cited: 5 (from All Databases)
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Title: Handbook of religion and health. Author(s): Plante TG Source: JOURNAL FOR THE SCIENTIFIC STUDY OF RELIGION Volume: 40 Issue: 4 Pages: 790-791 Published: DEC 2001 Times Cited: 0 (from All Databases)
- PS Please also see comments in section
Talk:Thomas_G._Plante#Some_background_potentially_relevant_to_merger_proposal (DIFF). -- Presearch (talk) 15:33, 17 December 2011 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
[edit] Further reading
This seems to be one newspaper article out of hundreds so I have removed it from "Further Reading". Perhaps another editor can include this information in the body of the text, or as a reference. This would seem the better place for a specific article, rather than in a list of books:
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- Lobdell, William, "Missionary's Dark Legacy; Two remote Alaska villages are still reeling from a Catholic volunteer's sojourn three decades ago, when he allegedly molested nearly every Eskimo boy in the parishes. The accusers, now men, are scarred emotionally and struggle to cope. They are seeking justice." Los Angeles Times, Nov 19, 2005, p. A.1Cistercian (talk) 10:52, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
[edit] Conference
Afp article which reports that Cardinal William Levada, the head of the Church's main enforcement body, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, opened the conference saying the Vatican had received more than 4,000 denunciations over the past decade.
and also reports Papal biographer Marco Politi said: "The meeting is a historic watershed because for the first time the Vatican is going to analyse on an international level the responsibility of the Church for child abuse." EdwardLane (talk) 14:42, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
[edit] Parity across similar articles?
This appears in the lead of Scouting sex abuse cases, and has lasted there for a long time:-
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- It is felt by some that the incidence of sexual abuse is exaggerated, however, in any organization as large as the Boy Scouts, there is a chance for abuse to occur. Children of parents who have been told about what to look out for and have an open relationship with their parents about sexual matters are much less likely to become victims of abuse.
As editors seem to think this sort of thing belongs in a lead for such articles, I have added similar to the lead of this article.Testbed (talk) 10:18, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
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- It's unsourced, and obviously somebody's personal opinion. I don't think it belongs, so I've taken it back out. Happy to await input from others on this discussion. Might also pop over to Scouting sex abuse cases to see how it got there too. HiLo48 (talk) 21:11, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
May I ask - what do other editors think about this as an approach to this article?:-
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- My broad view on the article is that because of its sensitivity, everything in it must be very well sourced, and it must deal fairly and sensibly with the variations in approaches around the world. Timing is an issue too. If a sex abuse case occurred twenty years ago, it should not be mentioned in isolation without extensive coverage of what that country's Catholic administration has done about sex abuse in general since then. In many cases, that's an awful lot.
Testbed (talk) 11:50, 2 March 2012 (UTC)