Talk:Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer

Gender

Since male Reindeer Rangifer tarandus shed their antlers at this time of year, I think Rudolph must be really a she.

Rudolph is a boys' name and the song refers to Rudolph as "him."

Castrated male reindeer do not shed their antlers during winter. I do not believe any media exists wherein Rudolph's genitalia is exposed, so this seems like a plausible reconciliation.

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Vandalism Again

Someone keeps changing parts of it to rediculous (and wrong) things like the owner of the song is "fufu the pink bunny". If you did that, don't. Thats a stupid thing to do, to corrupt the knowledge of a worldwide information resource.

I've seen some vandalism over the first paragraph that somebody did until it was finally cleaned up. If any vandalism happens again, give the user a strict policy to stop the vandalism over whatever article they change some information on, add, or delete, or perhaps at least use a lock which allows only certain users to edit. --PJ Pete 12-8-'07

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History

Not much history in this artical see http://www.snopes.com/holidays/christmas/rudolph.asp

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Derivative Children's song

I'm not sure if this is the appropriate space for this but there is an alternate set of lyrics to the same tune that I learned in grade school in the mid-1960s.

Khrushchev the bald-headed Russian
Had a very shiny head
And if you ever saw it
It would make you ...<something>... dead

All of the other Russians
Used to laugh and call him names
They never let poor Khrushchev
Join in any Russian games

Then one foggy Friday night
Johnson came to say
"Khrushchev with your head so bright
Won't you guide my satellite?"

Then all the other Russians
Laughed and shouted out with glee
"Khrushchev the bald-headed Russian
You'll go down in history!"

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Split "song" section into separate article

It appears (to me) that the song, "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer" is notable enough on its own to warrant a separate Wikipedia article. "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (song)". The song article could start with something like,

"Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer" is a popular Christmas song written by Johnny Marks based on the original story Rudolph The Red-Nosed Reindeer published in 1939 and written by Marks' brother-in-law, Robert L. May. ..."

A short summary of the song info could be retained in this (story) article with a " main article: "Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (song)" " template inserted after the "Song" section heading. I'd be happy to attempt this split if feedback is mostly positive. Any thoughts, comments? Pugetbill (talk) 00:40, 6 July 2011 (UTC)

Late response, but I say go for it. It doesn't look like anyone has come here to object in the past month, and it seems there is a good amount of information, as well as information in the song section that can be expanded. Mordecairule 18:36, 9 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mordecairule (talk • contribs)

Another late response: I wouldn't mind if this section was broken out into its own article, as long as there's a link to the child article from the parent article. Since the list has gotten longer (partly due to yours truly, who added a bevy of cover versions within the last year), I also suggest that the versions of the song that made it on to music trade publication charts (like Billboard) be separated from the non-charted, yet noteworthy versions. --Sliv812 (talk) 03:33, 19 October 2011 (UTC)

Agree. Split the song off into a seperate article. There's plenty of material for it. Mtminchi08 (talk) 03:11, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

Completely AGREE. I was stunned to do a search today and NOT find a separate article for the song. Medleystudios72 (talk) 15:08, 2 December 2011 (UTC)

I also agree that this should be split. I wasn't even aware of the original story and believe the song is (now) better known than the original story. I say split! Zasurus (talk) 15:18, 13 December 2011 (UTC)

Okay, now that we seem to have reached consensus that a separate article on the song is warranted, is there an efficient way to split the song content off to a separate article without requiring approval from the wikipedia reviewers? I'm only familiar with the process of creating a new article. --Sliv812 (talk) 23:00, 15 December 2011 (UTC)

I completly agree. Be it as it may, the song is more famous than anything else! - Lanejlubell 08:32, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

The consensus seems strong so today, I attempted the split and created the new article Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer (song). I wasn't sure whether to leave the hyphen in the song title (ASCAP lists the title without a hyphen between 'Red' and 'Nosed') but the hyphen seemed (to me) to fit better and is consistent with the title of this article so... I kept it. I tried to follow the instructions at Wikipedia:Splitting and if I have introduced any errors, my apologies. But I trust other wikipedia editors will catch and correct any mistakes I may have introduced in this split.

Pugetbill (talk) 16:53, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for creating the new article...it looks great! Mtminchi08 (talk) 04:54, 23 December 2011 (UTC)

Jack Johnson Version

The article tells the reader "In 2008, Jack Johnson recorded this song for a Christmas album by his record label, This Warm December: Brushfire Holiday Volume 1." - actually the Jack Johnson version of the song has already been released in 2002 on a sampler called "Maybe this Christmas", so is is definitely not "recorded for" the named 2008-record. --80.138.169.184 (talk) 19:43, 6 November 2011 (UTC)

I've modified this entry based on your input. Please review the updated article, and feel free to provide additional comments if necessary. Thanks for the catch! --Sliv812 (talk) 04:00, 7 November 2011 (UTC)

Yes, that is a very good point — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.192.61.211 (talk) 19:02, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

Archive of older posts on the talk page

As several of the posts on this page are rather old, it would be good to move them to an archive page. Everything would still be available for viewing but it would "clean up" the talk page for current topics. Mtminchi08 (talk) 20:31, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

I added the MiszaBot/Archive to this page as it has been over a month with no objections to the archiving suggestion. Mtminchi08 (talk) 05:07, 2 February 2012 (UTC)