Talk:S-75 Dvina

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Moving

• I moved this article from NATO reporting name to Russian name Radomil talk 20:31, 31 October 2005 (UTC)
• I listed this page for speedy deletion because I'd like to see SA-2 Guideline moved back, for a few reasons I'll list on that article's talk page. I cant simply move it to here, for some reason -- probably the fact that this page has a previous edit history. Whatever the case, it's just a redirect and it'll be replaced soon enough. I've also listed that page on the Requested moves page, sicne I wasnt sure which I ought to do... --Oceanhahn 02:34, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

Dates

From the article:

Over the next year the US delivered a number of solutions to the S-75 problem. The Navy had the Shrike missile in service by mid-August, and mounted their first offensive strike on a site in October.

Um, what years are we talking about here? '65? '66? It says in Gradual Failure: the air war over North Vietnam 1965-1966 that:

"In April 1966 Wild Weasel aircraft were equipped for the first time with the Shrike AGM-45 air-to-surface missile. The Navy had tested the weapon in the north in 1965, and in the spring of 1966 improved models arrived in the war theatre. On the 18th, an F-100F Wild Weasel launched the first Shrike against a SAM site with undetermined results."

This only confuses me about the dates referred to more, though. - Eric (talk) 17:58, 26 August 2008 (UTC)

Name?

• I suspect this page is the victim of a hasty C&P move. It shouldnt have been moved in the first place anyway. (The article is about the S-75, which is what it refers to constantly, rather than SA-2, which is NATO's codename for the same thing.) --Oceanhahn 02:35, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
• Why Article was movbed to SA-2 from orginal name? It should be under it's own, not MNATO reporting name. Radomil talk 20:44, 4 February 2009 (UTC)

Ground-to-ground mode?

Apparently this could be fired against ground targets (just like the 9m311): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HeoDAIeMkxY&feature=player_embedded
I don't have any other references, but it would make an interesting addition to the article if someone knows of an equally convincing and more appropriate (ie. written) citation.--Hrimpurstala (talk) 18:43, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Definitely it can. It was used that way during the war in former Yugoslavia. But, that's my experience only; I have no sources to quote.--2e1a0 (talk) 18:31, 9 April 2011 (UTC)

Indonesia

In the map of current operators, Indonesia is highlighted. However, in the subsequent list, Indonesia is listed under "former operators". Does anyone know what the actual status of Indonesia's military is regarding this missile?

-hmvkmv —Preceding unsigned comment added by 61.8.196.33 (talk) 14:14, 2 August 2010 (UTC)

Strange order

"In addition to the Soviet Union, several S-75 batteries were deployed during the 1960s in East Germany to protect Soviet forces stationed in that country. Later the system was sold to most Warsaw Pact countries and was provided to China, North Korea and eventually, North Vietnam." This seems to imply that the missile was provided to China later then the 1960's when it was responsible for shooting down an aircraft in 1957, the same year major deployments began.--Senor Freebie (talk) 06:00, 19 February 2011 (UTC)

Illustations

Libya has been added to the current operators of the S-75 Dvina - it is now missing from the map --Jean-Marc Liotier (talk) 15:12, 28 February 2011 (UTC)

Also: why Poland is marked on the map, while it is listed within current operators, and not listed within former operators?83.17.84.82 (talk) 16:33, 22 March 2011 (UTC)

Number of missiles produced

Zaloga gives 68,000 by 1967. Perhaps 4,600 is the number of systems? There were 800 sites in USSR by 1969. FuFoFuEd (talk) 18:55, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

I have a feeling 4,600 is the number of launchers, or it may be for only one variant of the missile. 98.218.229.58 (talk) 01:01, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

Radio control and self-destruct

RE: The missiles are guided using radio control signals (sent on one of three channels) from the guidance computers at the site. (!) A Radar Homing and Warning (RHAW) system on a target aircraft picked up the signal and gave a LAUNCH warning. (2) The missile sent back a tracking signal on a focused beam that could not be detected by RHAW, but a fighter could go into a steep drive in an attempt to make the missile while trying to track it "break lock" and self-destruct. One B-52 pilot did the same — and survived. (3) Once the Israelis captured one from Egypt and the return signal frequency was determined, that frequency could be jammed causing the missile to "break lock" and self-destruct. “If we thought the SA-2 was homing in on us, we would try to keep our speed up until the missile was several seconds away and then barrel roll on our backs and pull vertically down,”. Knutson Developed tactics to evade the Russian SA-2 missiles in Vietnam, based on a John Hopkins research project. (4) For updated info on how effective the SAMs were, see Suppression of air defense and Surface to Air Missile Effectiveness in Past Conflicts. --Pawyilee (talk) 16:23, 30 July 2011 (UTC)