Talk:SMERSH

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[edit] POV

they would be arrested, and tortured by Smersh, forced to sign fake confessions, put on a show trial, and either sent to the camps or shot. Smersh would also often be sent out to find and kill defectors, double agents, etc.

sounds POV. please justify, i am currently removing the lines --Nuttysocrates 07:21, 30 September 2005 (UTC) NuttySocrates

[edit] scientology connection

It looks like L_Ron_Hubbard may have issued a memo ordering his Sea_org "to invade the territory of Smersh".

http://www.clambake.org/archive/so/19690326-in.gif

http://clambake.org/archive/so/index.html

Does this warrant a mention?

[edit] RRRecords

SMERSH were also a fairly influential experimental band in the mid to late 80s. I would think that it deserves at least a mention. What say you fine folks? ;-)

[edit] ascii art

lovely ascii art. this certainly is the encyclopedia built by slashdot. thank god none of you write real encyclopedias. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.137.223.153 (talk) 02:27, 17 December 2006 (UTC).

[edit] Armtog or Amtorg

The section "Activity overseas" mentions the commercial front organization "Armtorg". I am pretty sure that this is a mistake and that "Amtorg" is meant, and am changing it accordingly. Hi There 17:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Louis Adamic

In the History section, the death of Louis Adamic is ascribed to the GRU but the WP Louis Adamic article claims his death as a suicide. This will need to be corrected or sourced, and if corrected, the entire structure of the paragraph needs to be reworked. Hi There 17:55, 16 July 2007 (UTC) Insertformulahere

[edit] Badly needs overhaul

Lots of bold and unsupported claims with distinctly non-neutral favour.

Right. The article is completely unsourced.Biophys 03:02, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
Yeah, I really doubt if the SMERSH "captured thousands of Allied soldiers" and forced them to disappear. Seems like propaganda to me, but then again, I am not too familiar with the SMERSH. I suppose that a few Allied soldiers may have been captured, but thousands? Doubtful. - XX55XX 02:04, 8 October 2007 (UTC)

[edit] Author's Note

In From Russia With Love, Ian Fleming said in an author's note that SMERSH still existed in 1956 and employed about 40,000 agents. Was he mistaken? Emperor001 13:21, 10 November 2007 (UTC)

He also said General Grubozaboyschikov was real and this entry says he wasn't.--Jack Upland (talk) 10:19, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Timeline? (Katyn discrepancy)

Among the several puzzling (ludicrous?) statements included in this topic, there is a glaring contraddiction in the timeline. At first it's claimed that this alleged Smersh have been formed in 1943, and then it's indicated as responsable of the Katyn Massacre (1940!!!). An awfully bad topic, faulty in both form and substance. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.220.148.63 (talk) 08:26, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

I noticed that too. I have changed the heading of this section to make it less cryptic. Man with two legs (talk) 12:24, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Parrish suggests that SMERSH could have been formed in late '42 or even earlier, but the date of 'official' creation was April 14th, '43 Borohachi (talk) 23:57, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

[edit] Phonetics

The name is phonetically similar to the Russian words "смерч" (smerch) for tornado and "смерть" (smert) for death.

So what?--Jack Upland (talk) 05:04, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Organisation Chart

"Radio games"???--Jack Upland (talk) 00:48, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

[edit] Thanks, Vasiliyfinn!

Since you don't yet have a User talk page, I have to thank you here for the yeoman work you did to pull the history section of this article into intelligible shape. Молодец! Languagehat (talk) 20:41, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

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