Talk:Sabians

No one ever called Muhammad a Sabian and there is no evidence that ablution or the movements in the Muslim prayers of worship were taken from the Sabians. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.225.142.150 (talk) 09:59, 22 November 2011 (UTC)

This article is confusing.

IS this a religious group or a ethnic group? the article gives the impression that we don'T know much about these people. It also seems strange that they occasionally seem to come from the greek region, yet all their beliefs are semitic and so is their language? Like I said - very confusing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.57.98.33 (talk) 05:39, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

Subjective Mess

This article is riddled with highly subjective material and conclusions without reference- a heavy edit for encyclopedic content is needed; I will endeavor to do so- with the informed aid of the peer group.Mavigogun (talk) 06:29, 1 August 2009 (UTC)

I have discovered that all of the Arabic source quotes given are published in Chowolson's 2 volume German work on the subject.82.6.30.147 (talk) 21:30, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Why does the search string "Hekal Tiamat" redirect here?

Why?

Good question. Just for neats, I'm going to redirect it to Acheron (band) instead, since that's the only reference to the phrase Google turns up. It's metal's problem now. (And for extra tidy, I'm going to slip in a subheading down here to lop off the I-presume-unconnected ravings below. Good me.) • Lainagier • talk • 12:36, 11 February 2011 (UTC)

Anonymous drive-by silliness

- This Wikipedian article is pure JEWISH OCCULT... term "Sabeans" were originally members of the cult of Shiba - Shiva, before "Noah". Other names were also "Sabeani", Saviani or Slaviani (old Slavs, before arrival of Semites)

also "Tiamat" was derived from "Dia or Djiva or Jiiva or Zhiva Maat - which means "living mother" Shiva (Hathor) in Slavic and Sanskrit, as old Aryan kingdom, before this OCCULT Wikipedian nonsense

??^{[citation needed]}?? Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 19:37, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Do they still exist?

Just watched some interviews with Iraqi refugees on the redacted DVD, and several of them say they are of the Sab'i sect, which would be this one I assume So why is it all in past tense? FunkMonk (talk) 19:57, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I'd also like some detail on this. It's impossible to tell, from the article as it stands, what happened to the Sabians and whether any still exist. 86.143.50.243 (talk) 17:12, 24 February 2011 (UTC)

Subjective Mess II

For me the "information" of the article is non-digestible, like f.ex. wax, and as tasteless as well. What's the relevancy of a statement like this:

Sabian in Hebrew also means drunk or drunkard.

? Also it seems like the Sabians are/were:

• general apostates from X to Y,
• Greek,
• a crossbreed betw Jews and Babylonians,
• Mandeans,
• monotheists,
• no polytheists,
• ...

I would rather like that they were a people mentioned in various sources, f.ex. S, T and U, known to be located at L, M and N. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 18:29, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Now how come that the article claims:

• the Ṣabians read from a holy book called "Zaboor"/"Zabur" and similar,
• the Ṣabians have nothing whatsoever to do with the Sabeans^{[citation verily needed, by High Jove!]} because of Ṣad/Sin

but

• the Sabaeans write in an alphabet called "Zabur",
• and the article of Sabaeans only have a Roman Emperor source, and in the roman alphabet, there is neither Ṣad nor Sin, but just an 'S' [ɛss]??

I think the distinction between "Ṣabians" and "Sabaeans" is unsupported this far. Rursus dixit. (^mbork³!) 19:36, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Mandaean OR section moved to Talk

Seems to be 100% WP:OR In ictu oculi (talk) 02:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC) START

Mandaeans

Main article: Mandaeism

Some scholars hold that the Sabians mentioned in the Qur'an are those currently referred to as Mandaeans, while others contend that the etymology of the root word 'Sabi'un' points to origins either in the Syriac or Mandaic word 'Sabian', and suggest that the Mandaean religion originated with Sabeans who came under the influence of early Hellenic Sabian missionaries, but preferred their own priesthood.^{[citation needed]}

After the conquests of Alexander the Great, Harran came to be a center of intellectual and religious activity, which evolved into a philosophical tradition centered on Hermes Trismegistus. The Harranians were heavily influenced by other religious groups, including those of the baptizing sects, and in this way the Mandaean Nasaraean Sabians would come into existence. They followed the Nasr (a white eagle lord) and called their community Miryai. From the 1st century AD they were heavily influenced by the Christians but reacted against Pauline Christianity, possibly absorbing the Ebionites.

Various religious groups holding some Gnostic Harranian beliefs (like the Mandaeans) have sought to justify application of the term to themselves in the hopes of avoiding persecution. Thus Mandaeans have become known as Subi (Sabian) by their Muslim neighbors in both Iraq and Iran. However, they could just have equally applied to come under the category of Nasaari because the application of this title to them predated the earliest Christians by at least a century.

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In ictu oculi (talk) 02:57, 20 August 2011 (UTC)