Talk:Salients, re-entrants and pockets

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2005

Any particular reason why this belongs in military tactics? I thought a salient et al was a feature of battlefield geography. Geoff/Gsl 07:02, 15 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Well, a salient isn't a tactic per se, but this is a topic in the subject of tactics, just like encirclement, enfilade and defilade, and flank. I think the second and third paragraphs of the article explain why. A salient isn't a geographic feature like a hill or a defile. It's a shape in the front lines. It is created by and affects the tactical situation, and informs the two sides' commanders' tactics. —Michael Z. 2005-03-15 14:49 Z

I don't agree... but then I don't disagree enough to argue. Geoff/Gsl 00:26, 16 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Okay, but please explain what you disagree with. I'd like to convince you, or update the article so we're all happy with it.

That a salient is not a geographic feature? WWI trench warfare was so static that sometimes a salient could become a persistent map feature, especially if it corresponded with defensible terrain. —Michael Z. 2005-03-17 15:57 Z

Merge of motti

An separate page exists, describing a Motti, which appears (and purports) to be exactly the same thing as a pocket. Motti appears to be a borrowed foreign word (In exactly the same way as 'Kessel' is, which is dealt with here). Any objection to merging motti in, to treat it in the same way? Dybeck 13:30, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

Sounds good, Support, keeping all the signifigant terms for pocket in the same place will give the term better visability and reduce linkages.--Dryzen 14:53, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

I've done it. Any post-merge objections, please post them here! Dybeck 14:16, 7 March 2007 (UTC)

Open ground attacks

My understanding of the term motti (quite recent and from an American documentary) was that it was a tactic used to entrap an enemy column of tanks and other vehicles travelling though forest roads. But the article refers also to "enemy restricted to open terrain". This last point I do not understand. I can understand how armoured vehicles can be trapped on a forest road, but not how it is done in open terrain. Surely that is much more difficult. How for example was this done in the conflicts of 60 years ago?--Hauskalainen (talk) 22:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)