Talk:Santa Claus

The Tooth fairy needs your help.

If any of Santas helpers have time, would they please consider assisting The tooth fairy. Her article is not all it could be. Penyulap _talk 11:31, 18 September 2011 (UTC)

north pole

It shouldnt say he just lives at the north pole with no qualifiers, i have most commonly heard lappland as being the place he lives — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.174.58.161 (talk) 03:42, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

• In the USA it's "North Pole" - What country are you from?
• WhisperToMe (talk) 05:46, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

The North Pole, maybe.--Jack Upland (talk) 18:59, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

I always heard that it was magnetic north but over hundreds of years that has changed to a random point in the middle of the ocean.90.200.103.155 (talk) 02:32, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, it's certainly not true north.--Jack Upland (talk) 09:22, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

This belief is not only held in the USA. Chances are if you ask anyone from the continent of North America where Santa Claus lives, they will answer with "North Pole". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.130.109 (talk) 21:58, 22 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand...

I've read this entire article... Is he real or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.244.236.216 (talk) 06:47, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia does not take sides in controversies.--Jack Upland (talk) 18:58, 16 December 2011 (UTC)

There is no "controversy". Santa Claus is not a real person. It is a lie told to children. --ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ (talk) 23:07, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

It's unfair to label it a lie. Santa Claus isn't meant to be a person really. He represents human kindness, compassion and generosity, particularly at Christmas time. As long as those traits exist, so does he. And no, before you attack me for saying this, I'm not suggesting we incorporate this into the article, I'm just pointing out what Santa Claus represents in today's society. Bonzostar (talk) 13:41, 19 December 2011 (UTC)

Bonzostar I will reiterate: Santa Claus is not a real person. It is a lie told to children, like the tooth fairy or the easter bunny. --ಠ_ಠ node.ue ಠ_ಠ (talk) 22:31, 28 January 2012 (UTC)

How dare u

How dare you say that santa is Legendary and not real. Please be reasonable .. some children's parents want them to grow up believing this .. my child just found out santa is not real .. and it is christmas eve .. im a digusted !! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wiki trus (talk • contribs) 09:42, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

The articles are supposed to give a neutral encyclopedic coverage of a topic. They are not dumbed down for kids. Wikipedia does not remove material just because someone finds it objectionable.

I don't know of any wikipedia-like project that is edited for kids, I'm sorry. --Enric Naval (talk) 09:54, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Santa is the embodiment of the spirit of Christmas, which is real, so he therefore is real as well. He does not exist as a physical being. Looking back, I think my parents were trying to explain the concept of Santa as a spirit to me for nearly my entire childhood, but to avoid disappointing me they didn't use black-and-white terms like "real" or "unreal". As a result, I was not as disappointed as most children would be when I discovered the nonexistence of Santa Claus. The point is, Wikipedia articles are meant to be neutral, there is nothing directly stating that Santa does not exist, but at the same time nothing stating that he does exist either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.36.130.109 (talk) 02:57, 17 February 2012 (UTC)

That source

This edit has these sources:

• Charles J. Jones, parent, pers. comm., 23 December 1967

• This looks like it was extracted from a reliable source, but which one?

• ”Three Stages of a Man’s Life in Regards to Santa Claus Belief”

• anonymous quote from a quote website

• ”Insights from the North Pole”, Jeff Harrop, December 3, 2008.

• the same anonymous quote, from a retail chain website

I think that we should strive for high-quality scholar sources. Not sure what to make with these. --Enric Naval (talk) 11:19, 24 December 2011 (UTC)

Well, the first one is the writer's father. It's a joke!--Jack Upland (talk) 18:58, 28 December 2011 (UTC)

Two versions for the entry?

Regarding the issue of Christian Children's beliefs and spoilers in the entry: I think it can be considered whether instead of choosing between "lying"/"censoring" and "ruining Christmas", Wikipedia can avoid both by asking the users to self-identify as children, or allowing them to choose a "family-friendly" version of the entry. The "family-friendly" and the regular versions of the page will be called something along the lines of Santa_Claus (simplified) and Santa_Claus (unabridged), respectively. The latter entry will explicitly state that it is overruling the former. It's not censorship when a movie critique warns the reader of a spoiler that's yet to come in the next paragraph. It's just a matter of consideration of people who don't want to know some things yet, and it's not hard to do. I'm sure Wikipedia can find a solution that will satisfy everyone's needs. Sometimes things don't have to be "either-or". — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.64.145.153 (talk) 07:28, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

Out of scope for this project. Articles here have all the encyclopedic information for a topic, including the offensive information. See if you can convince someone to start "wikipedia for children" or an equivalent project. --Enric Naval (talk) 10:27, 26 January 2012 (UTC)

You might want to give Wikipedia:Spoiler a read.

It is not acceptable to delete information from an article because you think it spoils the plot. Such concerns must not interfere with neutral point of view, encyclopedic tone, completeness, or any other element of article quality [...]

WP:NPOV is not accommodating of readers who don't want to know some things. Extra credit reading: Talk:Muhammad/FAQ. / edg ☺ ☭ 11:52, 26 January 2012 (UTC)