Talk:Satam al-Suqami

March 2006

Just a brief note - made this change because the previous text had left me with the implication that the passport had been doctored for some nefarious purpose by someone who had presumably planted it, which is not in fact what the 9/11 report says. thither 05:25, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

her statement wasn't sourced, so I'm going to try a bit of a compromise - let me know if you think it needs further work, or could be worded still better. Sherurcij ^{(talk) (Terrorist Wikiproject)} 05:36, 21 March 2006 (UTC)

is a knife a firearm?--Jaibe 20:29, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

No. DRK 20:51, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

That caused me confusion as well: "An FAA memo... claimed that al-Suqami stabbed passenger Daniel Lewin ... [However,] the report has been a matter of some controversy, since both the FAA and FBI have strongly claimed that there were no firearms smuggled aboard." Where did this come from? It needs to be changed one way or the other (ie. Lewin shot OR no weapons/knives smuggled aboard). Seadrifter 04:54, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Fixed it, if you check earlier versions of the page, it did indeed say "shot" (as does the FAA memo), some vandal quietly changed it to "stab" and it went unnoticed. Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 15:27, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

how about a fork? – Quadell ^{(talk) (random)} 20:59, 27 September 2006 (UTC)

"Named by the FBI"

There is no reason to designate Satam al-Saqami as one of five "named by the FBI" as a 9/11 hijacker. We've been through this before. See 9/11 hijackers. Any doubt that these 19 men were 19 hijackers is so miniscule that it doesn't warrant this qualification in the opening sentence, so can we please stop with this crap. 74.68.113.254 (talk) 05:17, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

I don't see why this is a good idea. The wikipedia's verifiability policy says the wikipedia aims for "verifiability, not truth." Even if it is widely, or even universally accepted that these guys were 9/11 hijackers, attributing a source remains important.

Cheers! Geo Swan (talk) 08:44, 12 December 2007 (UTC)

And so your position is that the FBI is the only reliable source for the contention that Satam al-Saqami was a 9/11 hijacker? Are the FBI and its predecessors also the only reliable sources for the contention that Al Capone was a mobster? 74.68.113.254 (talk) 03:03, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Al Capone's identity was proven both during his life, and after his death. The hijackers (with the exception of Khalid al-Mihdhar) were not known until their bodies were incinerated. While the American media takes the FBI's word for the identities of the hijackers, much foreign media takes other agencies words for it - whether within the KSA or elsewhere. So to be fair, we attribute the allegation. Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 03:06, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

My point is that the FBI is not the only "reliable source" for the contention that Satam al-Saqami was a 9/11 hijacker. Are any of these other agencies you speak of denying that al-Saqami was a 9/11 hijacker - and if so, perhaps we can evaluate their reliability as sources. 74.68.113.254 (talk) 03:18, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

Why define him right off as someone "the FBI names" as a hijacker, other than to raise an undue amount of doubt in the opening of the article? To be fair to flat earth folks, do we stipulate that North Dakota lay north of South Dakota, according to Rand McNally? 9591353082 (talk) 03:54, 13 December 2007 (UTC)

The FBI has said themselves that the actual identity of all 19 hijackers may never be known, since they were using so many false ID cards and alias - the "19 names" are just how we keep the individuals separate. "Satam al-Suqami" may be a legal student who was killed and had his identity stolen in 1999 by Muhammad bin Omar for all we know - so "named by the FBI" is a fair modifier for the start of the articles. Sherurcij ^{(Speaker for the Dead)} 05:46, 13 December 2007 (UTC)