Talk:Critique of the Kantian philosophy

The article is an attempt to specifically résumé Schopenhauer's essay which was entitled "Criticism of the Kantian Philosophy." It is not intended to be an article about such criticism by other philosophers or writers in general. That is the reason that Schopenhauer's name is parenthesized after the title of the essay. Lestrade 20:50, 13 October 2005 (UTC)Lestrade

Destructive or Constructive?

The list of Kant's merits is short, as compared with the list of defects. However, Schopenhauer believed that the merits were extremely valuable. The defects were important, but did not cancel the value of the merits.

Influence

Wittgenstein and Tolstoy learned their Kant by reading Schopenhauer's criticism.

Judgment

When Kant positioned the faculty or power of judgment between understanding and reason (Critique of Judgment), it recalled his positioning of schemata between time and understanding (Critique of Pure Reason).

Separate Provinces of Nature

Schopenhauer's position about the total separateness of the different provinces of nature does not seem to be in accord with modern science. Contemporary scientists seek to unify the separate branches of science.

Subject/Object

It almost seems that Kant's overriding interest was with showing that subjective knowledge cannot be assumed to be objective knowledge.

category

I've removed the top-level category here, and replaced it with category:Philosophical arguments. Someone with more experience in this area might wish to consider what other cats the article should involve. Banno 03:19, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Errors?

Hi according to me there is an error in this article

Concepts of Reason (Ideas of God, Freedom, and Immortality).

I, reading my school book (written by existentialist philosopher Nicola Abbagnano) learned that according to Kant the concepts of the reason are the ideas of God (rational theology), World (rational cosmology) and Soul (rational psycology), not Freedom and Immortality. --89.97.102.196 (talk) 10:04, 16 June 2008 (UTC)

The Cosmological Idea results from the application of reason to the world that we know through our senses. We think about the series of connections to the point where our thoughts go beyond all possible experience. As we reason, we continually and repeatedly ask "Why?" or "What is the reason?". There are four parts to this Idea: (1) the infinity of space and time, (2) atoms, or indivisible simple elements, (3) free will, or effects without causes, and (4) an absolutely necessary cause. In the case of freedom, we suppose that an effect can be produced that is not determined, conditioned, or caused by any previous influence. This Cosmological Idea is sometimes thought of as simply the transcendental idea of freedom in the world.

The Psychological Idea is the Ego, Apperception, I, Self, or Soul. It results from thinking that there must be an underlying substance that is the basis or ground of all of our thinking. Our thoughts are always changing but the thinking substance is assumed to be permanent. As a result, the Psychological Idea is sometimes thought of as simply the transcendental idea of the immortality of the soul.Lestrade (talk) 16:17, 16 June 2008 (UTC)Lestrade

suggestion for article

Needs an "In popular culture" section —Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.130.37.13 (talk) 05:26, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

Why?Lestrade (talk) 12:46, 22 September 2008 (UTC)Lestrade

Article title

Why "Schopenhauer's criticism of the Kantian philosophy"? Would "Schopenhauer's criticism of Kantian philosophy" be better? Or maybe "Schopenhauer's criticism of Immanuel Kant"? The current title sounds odd. Srnec (talk) 04:02, 8 November 2008 (UTC)

The appendix to Volume I of Schopenhauer's main work was given the title Criticism of the Kantian Philosophy.Lestrade (talk) 03:03, 13 October 2009 (UTC)Lestrade

The title sounds odd to Srnec, but it didn't sound odd to Richard Haldane and John Kemp when they published their translation in 1891 of Schopenhauer's "Kritik der Kantischen Philosophie." Lt. Col. E. F. J. Payne didn't find it odd when he published his translation in 1958. So we have a scale that balances Srnec on one side and Haldane, Kemp, and Payne on the other side. Unfortunately, the three English gentlemen who published their translations are deceased. Srnec has the advantage of being alive. Therefore, Srnec is a Wikipedia Winner and that is how the game is played.Lestrade (talk) 20:02, 21 February 2010 (UTC)Lestrade

Let's ask the man himself. In his letter to Francis Haywood on December 21, 1829, Schopenhauer wrote: "…I grafted onto his [Kant's] my own system which appeared 1819, bearing the title 'Die Welt als Wille und Vorstellung' — to this belongs a long appendix containing 'Critic of the Kantian philosophy' …." This was written in Schopenhauer's own English, not in German.Lestrade (talk) 19:58, 12 March 2010 (UTC)Lestrade

I see that Srnec has moved it as he thought correct. If you move it back, as I understand your reasoning I think it should be Criticism not criticism, perhaps even Critic as we are not merely referring to Shopenhauer's act of criticizing Kant's philosophy, but specifically to his appendix called Critic of the Kantian philosophy. Perhaps simply Critic of the Kantian Philosophy would be even better I think. I am not being bold with the move to Crcitic of the Kantian Philosophy as it seems like something many people may object to. Wwmargera (talk) 11:22, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Actually, screw that. I am moving it. Please move back if you object, etc. Wwmargera (talk) 11:38, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

I vote that it stays as it is now (critic of the) 94.195.129.111 (talk) 15:31, 24 April 2010 (UTC)

The German word "Kritik" means, in English, "criticism" or "critique." The German word "Kritiker" means, in English, "critic." In English, the title of Schopenhauer's work is "Criticism of the Kantian Philosophy." It is ignorant, stubborn, and contrary to insist that the title should be "Critic of the Kantian philosophy" instead of "Criticism of the Kantian philosophy." The current title, however, is perfectly consistent and in accord with Wikipedia standards, which are at the level of a fourteen year–old who has never read a book by Schopenhauer, or, probably, any other origin work by a philosopher. The article was well–intended but is really useless and a waste of space because the people who would benefit will never read it or know that it exists. The best thing that could happen is that it should be subjected to continuous and gradual vandalism, preferably by teenagers in a North American high school, until it reaches the point of being complete gibberish.Lestrade (talk) 20:03, 5 May 2010 (UTC)Lestrade

Since this article exists only in English it's worth reading and it's a good thing that some people took the oain to write it. [[User talk:Flocon]talk]] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.22.116.91 (talk) 12:36, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

There have been many critiques of Kant's philosophy. In the first few decades, there were critiques or criticisms by empricists, rationalists, and idealists. Since then, there have been a great number of criticisms. This article, however, is supposed to reference only one criticism. It is the criticism that Schopenhauer attached as an appendix to the first volume of his major work. The title of this article should reflect this specific reference. When the article was first created, its title was Criticism of the Kantian philosophy (Schopenhauer). This original title follows the title as printed in Payne's English translation and also indicates that Schopenhauer was the author, not Garve, Jacobi, Reinhold, Schulze, Maimon, Strawson, Ayer, Lewis, Nietzsche, Peirce or any of the other many writers who critiqued Kant's philosophy.Lestrade (talk) 02:25, 29 December 2010 (UTC)Lestrade