Talk:Southern (train operating company)

Name

Umm. Why isn't this at South Central Trains?
James F. (talk) 13:26, 12 Mar 2004 (UTC)

It's now at Southern because of the name-change. Lee M 01:17, 5 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Although the list of lines is headed - see the Southern website for details, the details of the Lines are not exactly the same! I have now amended that. In addition Marsh Link Line is actually part of the East Coastway and a purely local name for it, I believe: it certainly isn't a "commuter line" . Errors like that only muddle readers Peter Shearan 12:00, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

Routes

Though not mentioned in the article, I think Southern use a multi carriage diesel going via Ashford International. Anyone know if I am right? User talk:82.34.227.22 17:19, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

I think they are now running a few turbostars (171s) all the way from Brigton to Ashford (im sure i saw a press release somewhere), as opposed to the turbostar stopping service (Marshlink) from Hastings to Ashford. Pickle 13:36, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

There are indeed diesels running from Brighton all the way to Ashford (but I've no idea what class of rolling stock). A bit iffy 16:22, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

These are 171/1s (two carriage Turbostars) Thelem (talk) 00:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

The article says that Southern run services from London Bridge to Brighton. I'm pretty sure this is not the case, but can anyone confirm either way? Maybe they just run from London Bridge down part of the BML? Thelem (talk) 00:38, 23 June 2008 (UTC) At pek time Southern do run a few London Bridge to Brighton services Likelife (talk) 16:07, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

Lead Image

I changed the lead image from a Class 171 Turbostar to a Class 455. I did this because Southern have more routes operating with these, it is in operation as a pose to at RailFest York and the look of these units is unique to Southern. (SWT's units have retained the end gangways.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by MaryHiason (talk • contribs)

I would be nice if it was a 377 really, that is what they have the most of. Neil Mundy

I agree; if we use an old train, that sort of suggests that they don't have any (or at least many) new trains, which isn't the case. David Arthur 16:58, 14 March 2006 (UTC)

The better of the two Class 377 images on commons is Image:Gb-emu377450-01.jpg, but I'm not certain it is lead image quality. Thryduulf 09:18, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

The barriers in front of the train don't really suit - the lack of good Class 377 images on Wikipedia is the main reason I put the Turbostar up top in the first place. Does anyone have a better picture of the Electrostar that they could upload? David Arthur 15:53, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

[1] and [2] You will have to ask for permission but they will say yes. --Neil Mundy 17:56, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Ah, that’s a nice picture, and properly illustrative of the company’s efforts to introduce new trains. David Arthur 23:54, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

I see the photo currently used is copyrighted but the owner has released all rights, I personally have quite a few photos of 377s at my gallery at [3], I am willing to release it in a GPL or CC licence. Tubechallenger 18:40, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Why not use the photo of 377122 currently on the British Rail Class 377 page? Our Phellap 17:11, 22 May 2006 (UTC)

Cycles

In early 2006, Southern became the focus of attention from cyclists' groups, as a result of their enforcement of their policy regarding carriage of cycles.

Could someone make this sentence less willfully vague? --87.82.12.159 17:53, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Stations run by southern

removed as no need, network rail manages the main stations itself (ie Victoria, London bridge and Gatwick), IIRC) the other more minor stations are leased to and administered by the TOC's. several of the stations in the list were network rail stations and stations used by other TOC's (it gave the impression southern was the sole TOC) or even are primarily other TOCs (eg Ashford is a huge southeastern station, only a minor southern station and has the eurostar there). anyone else thought on how this data could be usefully used if at all in any context? Pickle 07:52, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

"See also" links are missing

I would suggest that links to the routes would be useful, for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redhill_to_Tonbridge_Line 89.242.129.75 21:27, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Ok i'ver overhaulled the routes section.

The bit i'm not sure about is the south london area, which isn't my strongpoint. Have a look at this map [4] and [5] gives some idea - mroe work for antoehr day ;)

Pickle 13:36, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Looked a bit deeper;

1) has the Redhill to Tonbridge Line been handed over from southeastern to southern yet ??? if so the page needs to say this, so does the infoboxes (also there are two odd southeastern services, running to Horsham and up the BML into london ... ??? )

2) need to add peek bracnh to Reigate on north downs line

3) Wimbeldon loop - i thought thameslink (FCC) ran around this

4) need to work out what runs through West Croydon station and what is the name for the line its on

Pickle 14:06, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

Solved (?) 2 and 4 Pickle 14:14, 29 January 2007 (UTC)

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Help

I cant fix the New fleet sectionLikelife (talk) 15:57, 19 August 2008 (UTC)

Merger proposal

As the Department for Transport has announced that Southern/Govia have retained the South Central franchise (Source), can I propose that the South Central franchise article now be merged into this article - perhaps into the future section? I can see very little reasoning for keeping both articles alive when the information from the two could quite realistically be included in this article as it is now all relevant to Southern, the train operating company. Any thoughts? Spiritofsussex (talk) 08:42, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Agreed - some of the info can be deleted and there can be a new section at the bottom - im around all day so if people want i can get a first draft done? lordmwa (talk) 09:36, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Definitely. I've always been sceptical about the value of 'future franchise' articles, but they're certainly redundant once the decision has been made and the resulting company announced. David Arthur (talk) 14:31, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Agree its going to be Southern any way sowhy not. Likelife (talk)

I agree and have put a message on the other talk page to get more people into the debate. Btline (talk) 22:48, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

I have taken the information on the South Central franchise article and weaved it into this article, and have placed this draft in my sandbox - User:Spiritofsussex/Sandbox, as I didn't want to add it straight to the article without anybody having a look at it. Can I have some feedback please? Does anybody have any suggestions as to how this could be/needs to be changed at all? Is this a suitable representation of the two articles merged into one? Spiritofsussex (talk) 11:19, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

Looks good. Simply south (talk) 22:33, 11 June 2009 (UTC)

As there have been no arguments against the merge, I have carried out the merge of the two articles. Spiritofsussex (talk) 08:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

Thanks, Btline (talk) 16:40, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

image

I changed the image, If you dont like it change it. I just think the old one has been here for a while. Likelife (talk) 18:37, 14 August 2009 (UTC)

Class 313

I've added the Class 313 details to the Current Fleet as the first two entered service today. We don't have any Southern-liveried 313 pictures at present, so I have used one of a Silverlink-liveried set as an interim measure. The 313s are being cascaded wearing this livery, and some have appeared around Brighton on test in the same colours. L1v3rp00l (talk) 16:11, 24 May 2010 (UTC)