Talk:States and territories of India

2006 discussion

changes by Alokchakrabarti:

I have reverted the changes since the context of the spellings is imp here. French India knew the places by their colonial names, and hence they should be directed to the resp page. Reverting to the original Indian names only subverts the historical context.

Pizzadeliveryboy 19:59, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

Delhi should be included in the list of Union Territories. There is no such thing called a National Capital Territory. There are only states and union territories. It is incorrect to say that Delhi is no longer a Union Territory. Delhi still has an entry in the First Schedule, Part II of the Constitution of India (Union Territories).

"1. Delhi...The territory which immediately before the commencement of this Constitution was comprised in the Chief Commissioner’s Province of Delhi."

What the Government of National Capital Territory of Delhi Act, 1991 did was to change the name of the territory (besides introducing an elected assembly, etc.), it did not change the classification of the territory. Under the Constitution (Article I, Section 3):

"(3) The territory of India shall comprise— (a) the territories of the States; (b) the Union territories specified in the First Schedule; and (c) such other territories as may be acquired."

Delhi is neither (a) or (c).

Also, Article 239AA of the Constitution says:

himachal is the best part of india —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.173.157.181 (talk) 10:13, 7 September 2009 (UTC)

"239AA. Special provisions with respect to Delhi.—(1) As from the date of commencement of the Constitution (Sixty-ninth Amendment) Act, 1991, the Union territory of Delhi shall be called the National Capital Territory of Delhi (hereafter in this Part referred to as the National Capital Territory) and the administrator thereof appointed under article 239 shall be designated as the Lieutenant Governor." (emphasis added)

This substantiates my claim that only the name was changed, not the classification.

So the correct way to refer to Delhi would be:

National Capital Territory of Delhi

or

Delhi (National Capital Territory)

--Manojb 03:52, 15 February 2006 (UTC)

One thing seems clear -- Delhi should be listed as "G" and not as "F". The alphabetization has led to switching it with Pondicherry.

--Major Danby 18 Feb 2006

Map

What's the deal with the map? There used to be a very clear one, but it seems to have been replaced by that bizarre one we have now. Anyone know what the story is? john k 19:13, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

No idea, but I have now replaced the colourless map with a clearer one here. //Big Adamsky 19:33, 15 March 2006 (UTC)

Good job, thanks. john k 07:29, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

The map is really really nice. Wachholder0 01:16, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Jammu and kashmir is shown as Chinese territory claimed by India and Pakistan territory claimed by India, which should be changed as Indian territory claimed by Pakistan and China. And Arunachal Pradesh is a part of India which is claimed by China that should be mentioned clearly — Preceding unsigned comment added by Arunkumar6886 (talk • contribs) 03:46, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

Union territory vs state

New Delhi is now the capital of the State of Delhi. It is no longer a union administered territory and has its own legislative assembly.

This is true. Delhi is neither a state or an union territory, though it has special state rights(they elect their own legislatures). Hence the correct division is 28 states and 6 UT's and 1 NCT Gamesmaster G-9 19:19, 8 September 2006 (UTC)

r u sure abt it?? R there any reliables srcs? --Aravind

That is, indeed, simply wrong. —Nightstallion (?) 09:29, 26 September 2006 (UTC)

New delhi is definitely a state. It has a state assembly, which has elections. Sheila Dixit is the first mister of the state of Delhi. I am not sure that is the case with Pondicherry (Puducherry) - Mowgli

It's still officially a union territory, full stop. —Nightstallion (?) 16:10, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

DELHI IS NO LONGER A UNION TERITORY, IT BACAME A STATE ABOUT 16 YEARS BACK AT THE TIME OF BJP RULE AT CENTER.MADAN LAL KHURANA WAS THE FIRST CHIEF MINISTER AFTER THAT SHEILA DIXIT IS CM FOR CONSEQUITIVE 3RD 5 YEAR TERM. PONDICHERRY IS ALSO A STATE NOW. WE HAVE 30 STATES AND 5 UTS AT PRESENT. PLEASE CORRECT THE INFORMATION

Delhi can still be counted as one of the union territories as per the information in the Government of India website.

List of Indian states

Hi. I am making a list of Indian states ranked based on several criteria based on the NFHS-3 survey published on the website http://www.nfhsindia.org/factsheet.html. I think it makes some sense to give links to those lists from this article...I would like to know the opinion of you guys....Fair and Honest_India —Preceding unsigned comment added by Vcpkumar (talk • contribs) 19:52, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

I've brought up the question of these articles at Wikipedia talk:Noticeboard for India-related topics. You're welcome to participate in the discussion there. Thanks. - BillCJ (talk) 19:58, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Not a federal republic

Indian constitution explicitly states India is a union of states. Though it shares some aspects of a federal form of govt., it cannot be described as a federal republic.-Bharatveer (talk) 06:37, 3 September 2008 (UTC) India is a unitary state. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.134.224.234 (talk) 06:16, 18 December 2011 (UTC)

Powers and authority of states and territories

The article is very good on the history and rationale behind the development of the states of India. However it tells the outside reader nothing of what they actually are. For example, neither this article nor Administrative divisions of India says what the powers are vested in a state and what is reserved to the Union Parliament.

What legislative and administrative compentence do the states have? To what extent may the Union Parliamnet override the state's decisions, or suspend the state's constitution (as has happened on a number of occasions in the past)? Are the powers of the states defined by the constitution or by the will of Parliament? How are the States governed?

A good comparison would be with States and territories of Australia or Provinces and territories of Canada.

Howard Alexander (talk) 08:15, 11 October 2009 (UTC)

I concur. I happened by this article and was unable to learn what sort of federalism India might or might not practice, de jure or de facto. Is their any sort of idea of limited sovereignty in Indian political economy? Many questions remaining. Would be very helpful if a political science expert would help out.N2e (talk) 12:29, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

I have stubbed out a section heading where we can being to collect comparative information on the responsibilities and authorities of the states/territories relative to those of the national government. We could really use the help of an expert on Indian government theory and practice to help out here. N2e (talk) 23:02, 13 January 2010 (UTC)

Developing Updates

According to Time Magazine there may be some new states forming. @Discover10 01:17, 14 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Discover10 (talk • contribs)

Yes!But, the formation of the new state is in a process. We can observe the information regarding this in the sub-page:Late 2009 of the article.So, please don't tag the article with 'Update template' without any relevance.--Sharadbob^Talk_C 09:07, 28 December 2009 (UTC)

Table

Based on the one @ U.S. state. With a bit of editing might be worth including... Take it or leave it

States of India

#	Name	Pop	Capital	Largest city
1	Andhra Pradesh	76,210,007	Hyderabad	Hyderabad
2	Arunachal Pradesh	1,091,120	Itanagar	Itanagar
3	Assam	26,655,528	Dispur	Guwahati
4	Bihar	26,655,528	Patna	Patna
5	Chhattisgarh	20,795,956	Raipur	Raipur
6	Goa	1,400,000	Panaji	Vasco da Gama, Goa
7	Gujarat	50,671,017	Gandhinagar	Ahmedabad
8	Haryana	21,082,989	Chandigarh	Faridabad
9	Himachal Pradesh	65,077,900	Shimla	Shimla
10	Jammu and Kashmir	10,143,700	Jammu (winter), Srinagar (summer)	Srinagar
11	Jharkhand	26,909,428	Ranchi	Jamshedpur
12	Karnataka	52,850,562	Bangalore	Bangalore
13	Kerala	31,841,374	Thiruvananthapuram	Thiruvananthapuram
14	Madhya Pradesh	60,385,118	Bhopal	Indore
15	Maharashtra	96,752,247	Mumbai	Mumbai
16	Manipur	2,388,634	Imphal	Imphal
17	Meghalaya	2,306,069	Shillong	Shillong
18	Mizoram	888,573	Aizawl	Aizawl
19	Nagaland	1,988,636	Kohima	Dimapur
20	Orissa	36,706,920	Bhubaneswar	Bhubaneswar
21	Punjab	24,289,296	Chandigarh	Ludhiana
22	Rajasthan	56,473,122	Jaipur	Jaipur
23	Sikkim	540,493	Gangtok	Gangtok
24	Tamil Nadu	66,396,000	Chennai	Chennai
25	Tripura	3,199,203	Agartala	Agartala
26	Uttar Pradesh	190,891,000	Lucknow	Kanpur
27	Uttarakhand	8,479,562	Dehradun	Dehradun
28	West Bengal	80,221,171	Kolkata	Kolkata

Union Territories

#	Name	Pop	Capital	Largest city
A	Andaman and Nicobar Islands	356,152	Port Blair	Port Blair
B	Chandigarh	900,635	Chandigarh	Chandigarh
C	Dadra and Nagar Haveli	220,451	Silvassa
D	Daman and Diu	220,451	Daman
E	Lakshadweep	60,595	Kavaratti	Andrott
F	National Capital Territory of Delhi	13,782,976	Delhi	Delhi
G	Puducherry	973,829	Puducherry	Puducherry

41.247.46.157 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 19:46, 1 January 2010 (UTC).

This table is highly very well done with! I have some suggestions that we could implement:

• We can have the codes of the states as in ISO 3166-2:IN.
• We could also have the number of districts, in each of the states, displayed.
• And also the date of formation of each of the states.
• And vitally we need the references for the relevance of all the above.--Sharadbob^Talk_C 14:29, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Better sources for Powers and authority of states and territories?

Does anyone have good sources for improving the States and territories of India article in the area of of the relative powers and authority of states and territories? As noted above on this Talk page, the current article has no information about the "history and rationale behind the development of the states of India. ... it tells the reader nothing of what they actually are. For example, neither [that] article nor Administrative divisions of India says what the powers are vested in a state and what is reserved to the Union Parliament." I have made an initial attempt to stub out an first cut on the relative responsibilities and authorities of the states compared to the national government in this section.

Does anyone know where we might find some online source with this info? Thanks. N2e (talk) 19:50, 14 January 2010 (UTC)

Hey N2e! The primary source for this kind of information would be in the Constitution itself, although of course those things are never fun to read, and India happens to have the longest of them all. I certainly haven't read the whole thing, but I can point out the parts that would be relevant. Articles 80-81 outline the basis for representation of each of the states at the Union level. Apart from that, Parts 6, 8 and (especially) 11 would definitely be important to read over for the basics. And there's also the special provisions outlined in Articles 370-371 which would be very important to mention, as some states get more autonomy than others. You can get the full text here.

If you're looking for a basic outline to go by, I came across this, which sources its information. But I don't really have any specific online sources that would go into much detail, unless you want analytical or critical essays on the the federal system in India. I could recommend some good books, but none of them are available for preview on Google or anything.

One thing that I'm not sure is mentioned in the constitution is that because it was each individual princely state that acceded to the Union—and in most cases under no terms of accession—the current states as they stand, which were created through reorganisation in 1956, have no legal right to secede from the federation, as is the case in most federal unions.

If I can be of any further help, just let me know. Night w (talk) 13:58, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Night w! Those will be most useful sources for looking into. One other thing. I think it would be helpful if you would go ahead and mention one or a few of the books you are aware of. Even though they are not available online, perhaps an editor interested in this article would have one of them in hardcopy, or be able to obtain a copy from the library. N2e (talk) 14:59, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

Federalism in India by Asok Chanda, Indian Federalism by Venkatarangaiya and Shiviah, and Inter-governmental Relations in India by Amal Ray. These are all good commentaries on the Constitution. Also, any kind of comparative study of federal systems that mentions the Indian model might help, although I don't know of any specific titles. I think it's probably important to have at least one supplementary source in order to back up any editor's explanation of the Constitution. I'll have a look at my library for something next time I'm there. Night w (talk) 05:46, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

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Regards, Rich Farmbrough, 00:10, 17 June 2010 (UTC).

Oops!

My reverting Elockid's edit was simply a case of repeatedly clicking at the non-responsive Chrome. It was not done intentionally. Thanks.Shovon (talk) 15:13, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from 203.99.197.54, 9 June 2011

please remove Telugu from the language list of Tamil Nadu state because Tamil is the only language of Tamil Nadu State and you can verify it in the government of india website's Tamil Nadu page. The link is http://india.gov.in/knowindia/st_tamilnadu.php. telugu is nowhere used in Tamil Nadu.

203.99.197.54 (talk) 09:36, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

N Not done. Tamil Nadu, which cites the 1991 census, disagrees. The reference you give doesn't say that the language isn't spoken, and doesn't mention any of the other minority languages either. Feezo (send a signal | watch the sky) 16:42, 9 June 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Perkrocks, 10 August 2011

Please change the literacy rate of Kerala from 93.91% on this page to 94.59% as verified by the other wikipedia page of kerala. Or by googling literacy rate of kerala the first page that shows up as wikipedia contains the data as 94.59%. Best Regards

Perkrocks (talk) 06:33, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Not done: Wikipedia should not be used to cite itself. Topher385 (talk) 13:38, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from Saradindu123, 15 September 2011

Please update the no of districts for each states in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/States_and_territories_of_India. Examples are following:

1)Assam - should be 27 2)West Bengal - should be 19

Saradindu123 (talk) 10:18, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Map

It is now absolutely unclear what states correspond to what number on the map. Can anybody either change the map in a way that it is clear or add the numbers that correspond to the map to the table?--Merijn2 (talk) 18:20, 27 December 2011 (UTC)