Talk:Techno

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• February 2002 – January 2009 – Topics: Terminology · Trance vs Techno · Jazz in Techno / IDM · Beginnings and House Influences · Links and Misc · Yorkshire Bleeps and Bass · Technopunk · Moby et al as techno "pioneers" · Detroits Role · Hardcore genres · Points of Contention - Styles · Somewhat confoozled · Redirection proposal · Genre Classification · Americans · History and artists · Loveparade · Nonsense · Krasimir loves Techno · Techno-holic concerns · POV statement · Really needed? · Influenced by progressive rock? · Bruce Haack · Journalistic hype based terminology verses genuine musicology · America-centered · Hardcore techno · Once again on the "origins"... · Japanese invented Country-Music · Techno is characterized... · Mainstream popularity · Sorry But... · Redefinition of past artists · Definition · Rename / Focus · Move some content · My two cents · A less notable Derrick May quote · Composition · More research needed on related genres
• January 2009 – June 2010 – Topics: Nominate example tracks · Description of the genre? · Post-disco · Footers · EDM · techno or edm? · Complete re-write required. 'The Techno Twins' coined the phrase 'Techno' in 1977 · Techno a non-representational or abstract music / art?

YMO and "foreign" influences

"foreign" inappropriate. the vast majority of electronic music, from Moroder and the entire Italo-disco thing to Kraftwerk, Tangerine Dream, Gary Numan, Yellow, Visage, Telex, Ultravox, etc. etc. that was spun on MFA, and influenced the first wave of techno, was European. YMO is being given undue weight here (WP:UNDUE). 188.223.6.168 (talk) 12:11, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

"foreign" is a really bad word to use in an encyclopedia. Foreign from whose perspective? - filelakeshoe 18:15, 26 May 2011 (UTC)

188.223.6.168: Just because you disagree with a single term ("foreign"), that doesn't mean you should revert everything. I've already cited several sources that mention YMO as a primary influence on the genre. If you think YMO are given undue weight, then we can re-word it differently, but overzealous deletion is not the solution. Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 21:23, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Filelakeshoe: You should pay more attention to what you're reverting. That second edit of mine that you reverted was completely unrelated to this topic at hand. Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 21:28, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

I've now restored my edits back again, but changed a few words here and there, taking the issues raised here into account. If there's anything either of you disagree with, feel free to re-word the parts that you have issue with, but at least try not to revert everything next time, since I've also made other edits that are unrelated to this issue. Regards, Jagged 85 (talk) 21:46, 28 May 2011 (UTC)

Synthpop? Electropop?

Notice there is some kind of distinction being drawn here when there is none, electropop is what the American music press called European synthpop. see here. --Semitransgenic (talk) 12:41, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

see also relevant merge discussion @Talk:Electropop#Merger_with_Synthpop--Semitransgenic (talk) 22:21, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

extremely us-biased perspective

This article has to be completely rewritten. It's completely biased and not taking into account the widely documented facts that are showing the obvious european origin of techno. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.104.206.125 (talk) 02:06, 15 June 2011 (UTC)

The fact that it challenges your long-held assumptions does not make it biased, and just because you think something is "obvious" or "widely documented" does not make it so. In accordance with Wikipedia's verifiability policy, numerous published, reliable, relatively scholarly and credible journalistic secondary sources (and a handful of relevant primary sources) support every potentially contentious assertion the article makes—which is why the article is full of gobs of citations and is so remarkably stable. Techno's European connections are even discussed in the article several times, and they are all cited. If you know of some reliable sources to which we can attribute specific claims that contradict what the article currently says, please mention them, because we'd like to see them to see if they're credible and noteworthy. However, due to Wikipedia policy of not giving undue weight to fringe points of view, a full rewrite is too much to expect unless you can produce enough secondary sources to show that your beliefs are more accurate than what we have here already. —mjb (talk) 06:09, 3 July 2011 (UTC)

One piece of evidence I can point to (I'm not the OP above nor European) is Manuel Göttsching's "E2-E4" which was released in 1984, and recorded years earlier. It was certainly being played by DJ's like Larry Levan at NYC's Paradise Garage-- and according to this article, was often used to close the club. (Its undisputed that Levan and that club were at the headwaters of mutation of disco into the garage/house music genres).

http://www.villagevoice.com/2008-08-12/music/manuel-g-ouml-ttsching-revisits-minimalist-classic-e2-e4/

"Detroit innovators such as Juan Atkins would credit it with kick-starting techno." http://emusician.com/remixmag/artists_interviews/musicians/remix_manuel_gottsching/

More sources are needed, and sorry I'm not capable of being a real wikipedia editor myself, but those two articles are a decent start, are they not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.125.108.46 (talk) 02:51, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

not sure what exactly the issues is, there's no conspiracy here, article clearly details influences and antecedents. Looking at a range of WP:RS sources, the general consensus, regarding where and when a genre of music called "techno" originated, is that it happened in Detroit. We are reflecting what the RS sources are saying.If you have a valid alternate interpretation of events, supported by RS citations, get writing. --Semitransgenic (talk) 10:18, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

Whether you like it or not, techno began in Detroit. Yes, there were influences, but there's a difference between being influential and actually starting something. The Belleville Three acknowledged their influences as stated in the article, but they are the ones that started this musical genre. B-Machine (talk) 14:46, 10 November 2011 (UTC)

What about Steve Rachmad?

What about Steve Rachmad? http://www.discogs.com/artist/Steve+Rachmad Is a noted techno artist (detroit style)

n.n u.u 19:39, 3 August 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by N.n u.u (talk • contribs)

yes, notable, will be covered when section on Netherlands is added, will happen at some point. Also, no Steve Rachmad article exists, if you write one and we can then link to it. --Semitransgenic (talk) 21:42, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Techno

In Europe, the use of the word „Techno“ in reference to a genre of music was as early as in 1982 (by Andreas Tomalla - alias Talla 2XLC) - see "Technoclub" in Frankfurt am Main, also called "Techno Club D.G." (http://technoclub.tc/about/history/).--IIIraute (talk) 00:46, 27 February 2012 (UTC)

It has been pretty well established here in previous discussion and in the documentary film that covers this topic that Talla's "Techno" was not this or any other specific genre, and that his use of the term was confined to his sphere of direct influence (Frankfurt's scene and his own music projects); the wider use of the word in Europe and elsewhere is not attributable to him, nor is its use to refer to a distinct genre, regardless of what technoclub.tc (hardly a reliable source) might say. I think the article covers this well enough already. mjb (talk) 08:11, 27 February 2012 (UTC)