Talk:The Red Green Show

Longest running

Simpsons is the longest running sitcom in the USA. The UK's 'last of the summer wine' has been running since 1973.

Simpsons is a cartoon, not a sitcom. There is no "situation" in a cartoon, as animation has never been constrained by any of the bounds of reality. The characters never even age.. I mean come on here, Homer should be retiring by now, and Bart should be helping his high school chemistry teacher Break Bad, or something like that. Zaphraud (talk) 21:20, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Final Season

Supposedly the 15th season is going to be the final season of The Red Green Show. Perhaps this could be added to the article somehow? Torin Darkflight 06:59, Mar 8, 2005 (UTC)

Done. -- user:zanimum

I took out the reference to March 17th.. according to cbc.ca (as well as the guide on my TV) the episode Rain Man is on then, and according to the ep guide on the offical Red Green site it is ep #297, with the last episode being 300. Priester 05:52, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

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Character descriptions

Since the character descriptions "come from the Red Green DVDs", they are clearly in copyright violation. Has permission been granted to put them here? If not, they need to go. Rhindle The Red 13:19, 13 December 2006 (UTC)

Character section tags

I have tagged the character section for having several problems, the worst of which is the obvious copyright violation of almost the entire section being directly copied from a copyrighted source (I assume, it would be truly bizarre if it wasn't copyrighted). A side-effect of this is that section having an extremely informal tone, also a problem. Additionally, a huge size of that section is cumbersome and makes the page significantly longer than it needs to be. I propose rewriting and moving at least part (if not all) of the section to a page entitled "Minor characters on The Red Green Show" or "List of minor characters on The Red Green Show" or "List of characters on The Red Green Show". If Split so the new page only includes minor characters, I suggest the following should be moved to it:

• Buzz Sherwood
• Bob Stuyvesant
• Glen Brackston
• Dougie Franklin (Perhaps the page for Dougie Franklin should be deleted if this new page is created?)
• Ben Franklin
• Hap Shaughnessy (possibly)
• Kevin Black
• Arnie Dogan
• Dwight Cardiff
• Adventurer Walter
• Bonnie
• All the unseen characters

--Pharaoh Hound (talk) 01:22, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Absolutely seconded. As it stands right now, this has to be one of the worst-written articles I've ever seen. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 07:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

I moved the minor/secondary/unseen/guest characters to the new article you suggested. (A few more people got moved than the ones you suggested, btw.) Aside from a bit of reformatting, I haven't so far changed any other content. The debatable "secondaries" that might end up getting moved back here are Ranger Gord, Hap Shaughnessy and Edgar Montrose - they almost never appear in the main story segments, but they have been a part of the show for a long time and do frequently appear on the show. They're in a bit of a grey area as far as I'm concerned. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 04:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Okay, moved those three and Ed Frid back to the main article as Secondary characters. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 05:19, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

It looks quite good! I suppose the next step would be to rewrite, um, everything. I'm not sure if I'll have time to help with that, but if I do have spare time I'll put some work in on this (I'm an avid fan of the show). --Pharaoh Hound (talk) 12:58, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Thanks! So am I - my wife got me into it. :) I've got a head start - so far took care of Red and Harold. :) — KieferSkunk (talk) — 20:53, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Progress update: All main characters have been revised and the tags removed. I moved the tone/copyright/in-progress tags to the Secondary Characters section. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 01:03, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Took care of the Secondary characters today. All done! Please feel free to edit - these are just rough drafts. In the meantime, all the Minor characters on The Red Green Show need to be similarly edited. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 21:48, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Red Green Wiki

This is slightly off-topic, but I have been giving some thought to starting up a new wiki site for The Red Green Show, similar in scope to the Runner Wiki. I'm curious to know if such a project would be welcomed and could be linked from Wikipedia. I'm not suggesting that this wiki would/should become a source for Wikipedia or what not, but it may very well help the quality of this article since there's a whole body of information about the show that fans would find interesting, but is not suitable for WP. Opinions? — KieferSkunk (talk) — 23:18, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Harold: Geek or Nerd?

Keeping in mind that Wikipedia is not a forum, there is one point that I could see being legitimately debatable: Is Harold Green a nerd or a geek? It makes a difference as to his description in this article.

My two cents: According to one of the DVD sets, Harold is a nerd. From practical experience, the term "nerd" seems to apply more to Harold than "Geek" does. In popular culture, "Geek" generally denotes a higher level of social acceptance, where the person is heavily involved with some pop-culture or technical pastime (like Star Trek), but is otherwise a relatively normal person. Whereas "Nerd" denotes someone who is exceptionally smart and has no social graces whatsoever, and is thus usually outcast by society at large. Harold spends the vast majority of his time in the series trying to become accepted by the Possum Lodge members, and this is a central plot point for the movie Duct Tape Forever. It isn't until the very end of the series that Harold achieves acceptance in the Lodge (and also at the end of the movie, but the show's producer has suggested the movie isn't canon to the series), and more generally in the seasons after Harold returns to the Lodge as the P.R. Manager.

I think that calling him a nerd is more in line with the show's apparent intention - geeks aren't usually portrayed with overbites and thick glasses, for one.

Other thoughts? — KieferSkunk (talk) — 21:47, 3 July 2008 (UTC)

That seems like an accurate portrayal of how the words were used through the 1980s and early 1990s, perhaps, but starting with the dotcom boom the definition of nerd apparently changed significantly in the popular culture (go figure.) to include one who is capable of vast success in a technical field, even to the point of achieving social acceptance (!), where "geek" has definitely not made that jump (think "geek squad")Zaphraud (talk) 21:25, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

Secondary vs. Minor Characters

Recently reverted an edit that added Buzz Sherwood to the list of secondary characters. We had a big discussion about this a while back when this article contained extensive lists of all the characters (including main, secondary and minor characters, and even the unseen characters like Bernice Green and Moose Thompson). The minor characters were split out into their own article, and later the article was deleted per AfD due to a lack of notability.

There's no hard and fast definition for a minor character vs. a secondary, but a good rule of thumb for the Red Green Show seems to be that if the character has participated in main plot segments (like Ed Frid has at times), he's a secondary. The biggest exception to this is probably Bill Smith, who is almost exclusively in the Adventures with Bill segments, but since he's been a regular of the show throughout its span, he counts as well. Buzz is kind of on the borderline, but IMO he remains a minor character since he only appeared in a limited number of seasons and was (to my knowledge) never featured in a main plot segment - just in side segments. (Earlier in the show's history, these got mixed a little more since some side segments dealt with the main plot as well.)

I realize this opens up questions about Hap Shaughnessy as well, so if we want to debate who's secondary vs. who's minor, let's do that here. :)

Actually, now that I look at it again, this is really a much fuzzier line than I thought. And now the question becomes, should we have a secondary characters section at all? If we decide that that section should go, I'd move Bill Smith into the main characters section since he's so integral to the show, and just take everyone else out of the existing section. Otherwise, I fear we're going to end up with way too many characters listed there. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:33, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

I'm discussing this on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Television, and the suggestion there is to move all of the characters to their own Characters on The Red Green Show article, with citations on the main characters from web sources and/or DVD extras. I went ahead and re-added Buzz Sherwood for the time being, in preparation to do a character split. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 20:36, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Wherever it is, Buzz Sherwood really should be mentioned; he was in too many episodes to be omitted.jaknouse (talk) 02:12, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Merge discussion: Red Green (character)

I've proposed that we merge Red Green (character) into this article, since the majority of the information in the character article is trivia (most of which is non-notable, and the remainder of which is already spoken for here), and the rest of the info is also repeated in this article (such as the history of the character, show details, etc.). Also, I'm working on a more general "Characters of" article that should contain all the relevant in-universe information about the show's characters. There isn't enough info that meets WP:N, WP:V and WP:FICT to warrant a separate, standalone article on Red Green the character.

I'm starting this discussion on 9/30/08. If in 5 days there is no significant response to this discussion, I will perform the merge as non-controversial. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 06:01, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

No response. I'm going to perform the merge now. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 00:49, 8 October 2008 (UTC)

The Original Animal Control Officer

Even though he was replaced in the later seasons, we should include the original animal control officer in the list of secondary characters. Mr. C.C. (talk) 19:10, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

I agree. The description for Ed Frid simply says that he was the animal expert, but not noting that he was the second one.jaknouse (talk) 02:10, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Characters Mentioned By Name

There have been characters mentioned by name like Moose, Old Man Sedgewick, Red Green's wife, and Dalton Humprhey's wife. Should there be a section for characters mentioned by name? Mr. C.C. (talk) 19:16, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Longest running live-action comedy

"The Red Green Show ... aired on various channels ... from 1991 until the series finale April 7, 2006 on CBC, making it the longest running live-action scripted comedy in the world. " What defines the difference between The Red Green Show and shows like Saturday Night Live or SCTV Network that would make this claim valid ? D. J. Cartwright (talk) 08:30, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

Okay, excuse me; SCTVN did not run that long. D. J. Cartwright (talk) 08:32, 16 January 2010 (UTC)

It had a plot and regular characters. SNL and SCTV were collections of skits. It was more of a series, while the latter two are more like variety hours. vıdıoman 01:29, 17 January 2010 (UTC)

The Red Green Show can't be the longest running live-action scripted comedy in the world, as the Belgian sitcom F.C. De Kampioenen has been running since 1990 and will stop in 2011, making it 21 years old and The Red Green Show 15. So, that line's not true and should be removed the article. Whizzo (talk) 21:25, 21 January 2010 (UTC)

Steve Smith...still playing Red Green

It says somewhere in the article that Steve Smith says he won't ever reprise his character, or at least that he has no intention to but he did a show a couple of days ago in Derry NH as Red Green and it is in fact part of the "Red Green's Wit and Wisdom Tour 2010" so should someone put that into the article? and here's a link http://www.nhptv.org/redgreen/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.218.20.132 (talk) 09:36, 20 December 2010 (UTC)

I went ahead and rewrote that portion to reflect Smith's comment after the show ended, and the change in events afterward. — KieferSkunk (talk) — 18:24, 20 December 2010 (UTC)