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[edit] Number of Hungarians that moved back to Hungary - clarification needed
About this edit [1], I have reverted it because I have read this Hungarian-Slovak population exchanges where it stated in second paragraph The Czechoslovak government planned the removal of 25,0000[17][29] Hungarian people from South Slovakia to Hungary,[17] but 44,129[17]-45,475[30] – generally well-to-do businessmen, tradesmen, farmers and intellectuals[25] - which contains 2 references that the number is between 44,129-45,475 and not 100 000+. Since there are 2 references that say one thing and 1 recently added that says another, I added clarification needed tag at that claim until it is clarified. Adrian (talk) 10:01, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
- It says 250,000 (not 25,0000). We should demonstrate other sources as well (especially from demographers as Kocsis's book). Fakirbakir (talk) 10:17, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
- Yes, it says that the Czechoslovak government planed the exchange of 250 000 Hungarians, but according to this 44,129-45,475 is what it really exchanged. It is according to this source 1, page 29. Also the source you presented states that 120 000 of Hungarians fled or were deported. Is it reliable to say that all 120 000 were moved by force? Which is the real number that simply moved ? Adrian (talk) 10:38, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
- The Slovak number is totally unsourced thus we should remove it as well. I have refined the sentence according to the source.Fakirbakir (talk) 10:49, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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- This change is really confusing, this source states that 44,129-45,475 were moved from south Slovakia, not Czech republic. Currenlt this is the wrong representation of sources in the article. Adrian (talk) 11:00, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
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- I don`t know, I believe that the best solution is to add these sources and simply say many Hungarians(as it was until Szeget`s change) at this article and at the Hungarian-Slovak population exchanges leave it as per your last change. There is a clear difference between sources to leave it as per your last change (100 000+) and totally disregard the second source. Adrian (talk) 10:57, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
- I inserted other estimations, however I left the numbers because the previous sentences operated with numbers.Fakirbakir (talk) 11:11, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
- Ok. Adrian (talk) 11:16, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
[edit] World War II
In the introduction and in the main text are sections about border changes before/during/after World War II. Surely this is not relevant to this article. Suggest replacing with a simple remark to the effect that the current borders match those of the Treaty except for the loss of the 3 villages to Czechoslovakia in 1947. Nigej 16:44, 28 September 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Hungary became an entirely "new state" after the Word War I?
Kingdom of Hungary was reestablished on 01/03/1920. This "new" Kingdom of Hungary accepted the Treaty of Trianon. Prior to Trianon, Soviet Hungary or the First Hungarian Republic or the "new" Kingdom of Hungary possessed the rights in connection with the territory of the "old" Kingdom of Hungary 'officially' (until 04/06/1920), however in the reality they could not validate those. Hungary was not a new state. It became entirely independent, but it was not new, the "old" Kingdom of Hungary was the predecessor. (more accurately Soviet Hungary for the 'new' Kingdom of Hungary)Fakirbakir (talk) 20:14, 18 October 2011 (UTC)
[edit] Recent edits
I reverted edits of user:HangingCurve because of clear POV nature of such edits. Claim that "The Allies not only assumed without question that the minority peoples of the pre-war Kingdom of Hungary wished to leave" is absolutely POV and unacceptable. Where is evidence that these peoples "did not wished to leave pre-war Kingdom of Hungary"? Also, claim that Hungary "lost almost three-fourths of their country's territory" is not accurate: firstly, that territory was mainly inhabited by Indo-European peoples whom saw separation from Hungary as their liberation. Second, pre-war Kingdom of Hungary is legally not same country as post-war Hungary. Pre-war kingdom was not independent country, but part of the Habsburg Monarchy. The treaty does not contain a single word that says that something was "taken" from Hungary. On the contrary, Treaty clearly claims that Romania, Yugoslavia and Czechoslovakia are successor states of pre-war Kingdom of Hungary, together with post-war Hungary and it defining borders of post-war Hungary as borders of an new independent country. PANONIAN 23:21, 26 January 2012 (UTC)
- Agree. Indeed the whole article tends to read like Hungarian nationalist propoganda, which is perhaps not surprising, but somewhat disappointing. Nigej 08:41, 27 January 2012 (UTC)
