Talk:Tunku Abdul Rahman

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Copyedit

As requested, I have copyedited this article, and reduced the overly-admiring tone.

Questions arising:

• What does YTM stand for?
• He cannot be called "The Tunku," which sounds too admiring and POV. I have called him Abdul Rahman.
  • But he was known as "The Tunku", not just "Tunku". E.g. see this newspaper article. --Dwchin (talk) 09:11, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
• Alor Setar or Alor Star? Both spellings appear. I believe the official spelling was changed at some point.
• What did he do during the war? Did he collaborate with the Japanese as most of the princes did? Did he oppose or support MPAJA?
• There is no reference to the Emergency. What role did he play?

Adam 1 July 2005 07:22 (UTC)

YTM is Yang Teramat Mulia, the title of the son of a reigning Sultan. As for Alor Star/Setar, I think Setar is the "correct" spelling but Star remains more common. Jpatokal 1 July 2005 08:32 (UTC)

Thanks. If YTM is the title of the son of a reigning Sultan, then what is Tunku? Is this a hereditary title, or did he acquire it? If so, when? Adam 1 July 2005 08:44 (UTC)

Tunku just means Prince. So Tunku is Abdul Rahman's title and YTM is his style. Check out the Malay titles article for some insight into the maddeningly complex system... Jpatokal 1 July 2005 16:30 (UTC)

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Sorry to repeat myself, but:

• What did he do during the war? Did he collaborate with the Japanese? Did he oppose or support MPAJA?
• What role did he play in the Emergency?
• Was he born with the titles YTM and Tunku, or were they conferred on him, and if so when?

Adam 4 July 2005 12:31 (UTC)

As the son of a sultan, he was born with the title Tunku, and a Tunku's style is YTM. Jpatokal 6 July 2005 07:59 (UTC)

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Now YTM has disappeared and "Tunku Sam" has appeared. I have never heard this name and it gets no Google hits. Is this a joke? And could our Malaysian friends please come up with an agreement on what he ought to be called? Adam 12:37, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

I'm pretty certain that it's just a joke. I've reverted (both in the article and on the photo). --Mel Etitis (Μελ Ετητης) 14:12, 10 July 2005 (UTC)

Konfrontasi

I'm surprised that there is no mention of this subject in the article. Grant | Talk 06:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)

Cleanup?

I've read through the article[1] and can't find reasons for the tagging done. Please explain whats wrong with the article. Nsaa (talk) 16:52, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

A brief scan over it shows that it is full of uncited anecdotes, many of which are defamatory in nature. This person is an important figure in Malaysian history, and appears to be the target of defamation in this article.—Tetracube (talk) 17:10, 18 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm working on refactoring this article a bit and removing the large amount of extraneous information that is not encyclopedic and not particularly relevant to Tunku's accomplishments. Feel free to revert or fix if I got something wrong, as I am not an expert on the subject. Jenrzzz (talk) 08:19, 9 July 2011 (UTC)