Talk:University of the Philippines Diliman

Noted Alumni and Professors

Does "noted" mean "notable"? IMO, they are not notable. =) --Prem Vilas Fortran Rara 07:02, Dec 16, 2004 (UTC)

External links

I removed a bunch of external links that weren't very helpful to the article. See the guidelines at Wikipedia:External links. Coffee 15:03, 6 August 2005 (UTC)

I removed some redundant links as well. Sunbursts 13:22, 4 February 2007 (UTC)

Copyright violation

The whole history section of the article was removed because it's a copyright violation. Someone please rewrite it with original material to fill the void... a good school deserves a good article. Coffee 21:56, 29 September 2005 (UTC)

University of the Philippines, Diliman or University of the Philippines-Diliman?

Anyone? --Howard the Duck 05:42, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

This is also getting me stumped. Back then in our Department's official publication, we used "University of the Philippines Diliman", without the comma. But if restricted to choose bet. the comma and the hyphen, I'd go for the former. Not to 'copy' the styles of Western universities, but "University of the Philippines, Diliman" and "UP Diliman" looks just right and comparable with "University of California, Berkeley" and "UC Berkeley". What do you think? -- Corsarius 19:59, 11 October 2006 (UTC)

The "Philippines-Diliman" is more prevalent in the Philippines. I think only Wikipedia uses the "Philippines, Diliman" convention. However if acronyms are used, it is "UP Diliman", with no hyphens and commas. --Howard the Duck 14:39, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

I know a little late, but my two cents. The dash is what I see more, especially for other UP schools, i.e. UP-Visayas (when not UPV). However, Wikipedia seems to use the comma for all the UP schools. For UC Berkeley (California) and UMass Amherst (Massachusetts) there is neither a comma or dash. So what to do? I would lean towards the common usage, the one that people are more likely to search under, or use the same convention UP Diliman and UP Manila use, nothing at all. They have on their websites just a space. UPV has U of the P in the Visayas which is wordy.--Bruce Hall 11:38, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Section 4 of the RA 9500 An act to strengthen the University of the Philippines as the National University lists the names of the constituent universities without commas or hyphens. Shinjimikhael (talk) 09:43, 19 May 2009 (UTC)

Student Organizations

Hmm...how about:

1. cleaning up this list,
2. trimming it, or
3. giving it its own article?

The list seems to get longer by the day, with more student organizations raring to see their names on this Wikipedia article (and I haven't even checked the write-ups for NPOV). This isn't the case with other articles about other universities. For example:

1. Harvard University and Harvard College---the organizations are not listed under the University article, and then again not all organizations are listed in the College article, though they are grouped by purpose (acad-related, fraternity/sorority, athletics, music...).
2. Yale University uses a different approach; the organizations are listed on a separate article. What's more, like the Harvard College sub-section, the student organizations article is neatly categorized (e.g. all acads-related orgs go together, all athletic organizations go together, all fraternities and sororities go together, all musical orgs grouped together...)
3. Oxford University lists less than ten organizations on the main article, but references a link to a separate category (actually, two categories) for student orgs.

Just my two cents ;-) --- Tito Pao 19:02, 27 November 2006 (UTC)

Trim it, clean it, and put in its own article. Looking back on local examples, Ateneo has its organizations on their Loyola Schools article, which was presented short and direct to the point while DLSU-Manila and UST has theirs as a simple list. Having that huge list on this article is a big eyesore. --Mithril Cloud 10:35, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Done! ;-) --- Tito Pao 13:14, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Seems that the "Organization" section needs serious trimming as well. It's too huge that it doesn't even look encyclopedic anymore. --Mithril Cloud 16:23, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, I know. But it's the main UP Diliman article that needs to be cleaned up first, so taking the orgs to its own article was the first step in doing this. But I'm also thinking of how to clean up the page. Maybe we can revise/delete most (if not all) of the descriptions. Then re-organize everything by category, though I'll need to read all names from top to finish to give me an idea on how these should be categorized. Based on a preliminary survey, I'm thinking along these lines: 1.acad-based (e.g. UP Cursor) 2.culture-based (the UP choirs, performing arts groups, visual arts groups) 3.geographic-based (e.g. UP Lakan) and 4.civic/advocacy/politics-based (UP Babaylan) --- Tito Pao 18:07, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Tito Pao's push for categorization makes sense. On the descriptions, some of the orgs already have their own Wiki pages, and thus do not need further description on the org List page. However, for the orgs that do not have their own Wiki pages, maybe we can allow 1-2 lines each. Also, is it just me, or are the red links on the orgs' names adding to eyesore? Maybe we can remove the Wikilinks from them for the meantime.-- Corsarius 18:36, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

I have to be fortright with this one...I'm actually working on the categorizations (off-line, of course, since it's a long, long page). I removed all red links and reformatted links, if available. I have also deleted the original descriptions since some of them read like blurbs from press releases. I'm expecting to get a lot of flak or (worse) vandalizations from members of these orgs who will be disgruntled with what I did to their original text, but I had to do this for the sake of making the article more encyclopedic (or else face the risk of having it deleted). On the safe side, I'll just leave out a short description of what college is the org based on (to use a fictional example, "UP Widgets Association is based in the UP College of Widgets"), or a short note on what it does or what is it (e.g. "UP Widgets Association - an association for BS Widgets majors"). I'll try to post them as soon as I have completed the first draft. Just to be sure, I will include comments inside the (revised) article's source code, as well as a few notes on the discussion page, so that future editors (most likely anonymous) will know how to make their entries more encyclopedic. --- Tito Pao 19:45, 30 November 2006 (UTC)

Done! In anticipation of possible violent reactions, I've posted a not-so-short explanation on the Discussion page. --- Tito Pao 00:17, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Good work, man! The next problem now is to watch out for insistent org members. I admit, I once listed an org there with 2 lines of description, but I was looking forward to writing a full-fledged article on it in the future anyway. I guess orgs that had verbose descriptions in the first place have enough material for a Wiki article, or at least a stub, right? ;) Btw, considering that the Madrigal Singers already have their own Wiki article, shouldn't the org's description be somewhat shortened? Not to mention the org appears twice in the list. -- Corsarius 09:44, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Good point on the Madz, I'll have it changed in a short while. As for the insistent members, I make it a point to check my watchlist every now and then, so I'll keep an eye on this article every now and then. --- Tito Pao 13:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Oks. I'll guess I'll help you with the 'patrol', considering that this list is bound to really grow in the future -- there are lots of UPD orgs that aren't in this list yet. Actually, I'm not sure if some of the listed orgs are already University-recognized (as opposed to College-recognized or strictly Department-based), though of course there's no way to verify that unless we check up with UPD's Office of Student Affairs :P -- Corsarius 14:18, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

UP's standing at the THES-QS rankings

Should we include it in the article? --Mithril Cloud 13:38, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Yeah. Though where would it be best to place the info -- a new paragraph after the lead, a new section after/before the "National Centers of Excellence, or somewhere else? -- Corsarius 14:27, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

As of now, I don't see a suitable section. It could be added in the "Academics" section, but the article lacks that as of now. --Mithril Cloud 04:00, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Hm. If it makes sense to you guys, maybe we can create a new "Academics" section, and move "National Centers of Excellence" under it as a subsection. -- Corsarius 12:32, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Although I believe that the article should have a major revamp first. Adding the rankings would come in second. --Mithril Cloud 13:08, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

I think the THES-QS rankings should not be included at all. Since the THES rankings do not really get substantial information from this institution (the latest data for 2008 come from way back 2006), it can be observed that UP does not participate in the ranking. Therefore, the ranking of UP should not show up in the page, to preserve neutrality about the image of UP.Manong Arjhey (talk) 15:20, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

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University Info Box

Please don't make the University Info Box too small in font. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.213.80.79 (talk) 13:03, 25 November 2007 (UTC)

I have some qualms about the format of this article. As a current member of the University, I am quite concerned that the layout of the article is quite detrimental to its presentability. Unfortunately, I am not the best judge to revise and add information to the article since I am not conversant in the history, academic programs and services that the University has. As a concerned "Isko", I wish to help represent the university in a better light, but since it has not undergone any revision and reformatting for such a long time, I'd like to request someone to at least reformat this article in a more presentable form. Ulaire (talk) 14:47, 28 April 2008 (UTC)

Great Centennial Oblation Run

This is held only in December since 1977 but now it is dubbed as this, and held here in Diliman:"The Great Centennial Run" In the “UP Oblation Run," 100 UP-based Alpha Phi Omega (APO) Fraternity and several UP alumni on June 18, at 11:00 a.m., ran naked along the University of the Philippines (UP) campus to commemorate the centennial anniversary. They sprinted from the Vinzon’s Hall and stopped at Palma Hall, for short photo opportunity.www.gmanews.tv, 100 UP fratmen, alumni join Oblation Run for centennial celebration Jejomar Binay, alumnus and former prime chancellor of APO fraternity led the event.inquirer.net, ‘Great Centennial Run’ in UP--Florentino floro (talk) 09:45, 18 June 2008 (UTC)

Constituent Universities Templates - UP Diliman

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{{University of the Philippines, Los Baños}}
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Please improve UP Diliman article

It looks more of a catalog than an encyclopedia article with all the lists and everything. More on history and information, please. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.55.205.115 (talk) 11:09, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

Requested Move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was move. Jafeluv (talk) 08:21, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

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University of the Philippines, Diliman → University of the Philippines Diliman — UP Gazette (January - March 1983 p.6), under executive order no.5 during the 956th meeting of the Board of Regents. The official name is "University of the Philippines Diliman" --Dihamsal (talk) 11:33, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

• University of the Philippines, Manila → University of the Philippines Manila
• University of the Philippines, Visayas → University of the Philippines Visayas
• University of the Philippines, Baguio → University of the Philippines Baguio
• University of the Philippines, Open University → University of the Philippines Open University
• University of the Philippines, Mindanao → University of the Philippines Mindanao
• University of the Philippines, Los Baños → University of the Philippines Los Baños

^{The above six requests were added to this one since the same reasoning applies to all. Jafeluv (talk) 10:10, 30 July 2009 (UTC)}

• Oppose. Per WP:OFFICIAL. Aubergine (talk) 02:31, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

--- @Aubergine, WP:OFFICIAL is a general statement and an essay compilation re:official names, please see: Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(schools)#Choosing_a_name it shows that "School article titles should use the full official name of the school as provided by the school itself, unless the most common name for the school is significantly more well known than the official name." And since University of the Philippines, Diliman (University of the Philippines pause Diliman) (or los banos or manila etc...) is not common name and is not well known (in fact, its not being used except here in Wikipedia), thus the articles are using the wrong name and therefore the official name should be used. I'm an instructor at UPLB and I Strongly Agree to the proposal to move/rename the articles. And with this argument, I propose that the move be done immediately, anyone who would second the motion? --Meynardtengco (talk) 18:46, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

• Agree University of the Philippines Diliman is not just a campus, or a branch of University of the Philippines system, but an autonomous university by itself under the University System and it should be treated as such. To use a dash or comma after University of the Philippines is to confuse the readers that UP Diliman is just a campus or a branch. It is not only the "official name" and "legal name" but also the more commonly used name. Please look at the websites of UP Diliman and other constituent universities.

"University of the Philippines, Diliman" and "University of the Philippines - Diliman" are no better alternatives than "University of the Philippines Diliman. They are mere errors borne out of confusions. I cannot understand the reason why "University of the Philippines, Diliman" was there in the first place.

By the way, I will also add this requested move template to the talk pages of other consitutent universities of University of the Philippines System since all them follow the same naming convention. --Dihamsal (talk) 04:05, 29 July 2009 (UTC)

• Strongly Agree. As an Alumnus and as former faculty, haven't used either the dash or comma EVER. Also agree as per all autonomous units. - Alternativity (talk) 07:10, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• Agree I teach at UP Visayas and I have never seen UP Diliman or any UP college with a comma. I seen a hyphen used, though maybe not with Diliman. I do think that regardless it should be consistent across all UP pages.--Bruce Hall (talk) 15:38, 29 July 2009 (UTC)
• Agree. I've often wondered about this and have used both the hyphen and the comma separators. But whether a separator or not is used is extremely trivial per the naming guidelines so I'd choose on using the official name and that is without any separator. --seav (talk) 02:36, 30 July 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Too much of an eyesore

Is the list of deans/list of degree granting units too relevant to be included on the Organization section? Or should they be just encased in boxes? The list is too long. I've seen the Ateneo de Manila page and it has much comprehensive information about the univeristy. And this is supposed to be an article on the flagship campus of the national university. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.202.241.32 (talk) 16:22, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Suggestions for re-writing the article

How should this article be re-written? Some comments above expressed my opinion too about it lacking narrative substance and readability. Instead of adding my comments to theirs, I decided to start a new section with a title that is hopefully more descriptive rather than expressive. I agree that the article needs to be re-written with more information in narrative form rather than list form. This afterall is an encyclopedia article. This lists are trivial and not informative to the more casual learner, as encyclopedia articles should be. If someone would like to know who a particular dean is or what the centers of excellence are, they can look for a comprehensive website, which we could link to if we want. Further, the article seems to lapse into boosterism while other parts are disjointed. Finally, more information needs to be given about the buildings, the campus, the student body, etc. There certainly needs to be a history section. In other words, there should be a more well-rounded picture drawn of the school. I will wait a few days and then do want I can, but that is limited since my knowledge of UP Diliman in limited.--Bruce Hall (talk) 10:00, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Noted. Wish you could help for revamping the whole article. I started about a week ago. And I put it under construction.--JL 09 ^_q?c 07:11, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

I am placing the following lines of text here in the talk page. As noted by Bruce Hall, the article lapses into boosterism and is rather disjointed, specially the lead section. --Meynardtengco (talk) 01:13, 2 January 2011 (UTC)

UP Diliman (apart from the [[UP System]]) ranked 262nd among universities worldwide and second in Philippine rankings according to 2009 [[Times Higher Education Supplement|THES]]-[[Quacquarelli Symonds|QS]] World University rankings.<ref name="thes-qs">{{cite web|title=University of the Philippines|url=http://www.topuniversities.com/university/499/universityofphilippines|publisher=[[Times Higher Education Supplement]]-[[Quacquarelli Symonds]]|accessdate=4 August 2010|year=2010}}</ref> In 2010 THES-QS Asian university rankings, UP Diliman fall into 78th rank from its 2009's 63rd place.<ref>{{cite web|title=Asian university rankings - top 200|url=http://www.topuniversities.com/university-rankings/asian-university-rankings/overall|publisher=[[Times Higher Education Supplement]]-[[Quacquarelli Symonds]]|accessdate=4 August 2010}}</ref> On the other hand, UP Diliman got 889th place on the 2010 [[Webometrics Ranking of World Universities|Webometrics]] worldwide and first in the Philippines.<ref>{{cite web|title=Philippines ranking|url=http://www.webometrics.info/rank_by_country.asp?country=ph|publisher=[[Webometrics Ranking of World Universities]]}}</ref>

, and recently won first place in the [[UAAP Season 71|71st]] season of UAAP.<ref name="uaap 71 pep wins">{{cite news|title=UP Pep Squad defends title in UAAP Cheerdance |url=http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/sports/09/07/08/pep-squad-defends-title-uaap-cheerdance|accessdate=4 August 2010|date=7 September 2008|agency=ABS-CBN News.com}}</ref> The [[Philippine Madrigal Singers]], a musical choir based in the university, is the first choir to win twice in the [[European Grand Prix for Choral Singing]] for the years 1997 and 2007.<ref>{{cite news|last=Alcuin|first=Papa|title=Madrigal Singers win European Grand Prix for the second time |url=http://showbizandstyle.inquirer.net/breakingnews/breakingnews/view/20070827-85002/Madrigal_Singers_win_European_Grand_Prix_for_the_second_time|accessdate=4 August 2010|newspaper=Philippine Daily Inquirer|date=27 August 2007|author=Pablo Tariman}}</ref>

American University of the Philippines

I am removing the reference about the University being named the American University of the Philippines until no other reliable source can be found for it. Additionally:

1. In Act No. 1870 or the legislation that established the University clearly states:

Section 1. The Governor-General is hereby authorized, within the powers and limitations hereinafter specified, to establish in the city of Manila, or at the point he may deem most convenient, a university which shall be known by the designation of "University of the Philippines," the same being organized as a corporation under that name. [1] This legislation does not even contain the word "American".

1. The University seal currently in use was approved by the Board of Regents in 1913. Prior to the use of the current seal, the university used a logo based on the seal of the City of Manila which carried a name of the "University of the Philippines" [2] [3]
2. There was no mention of an "American University of the Philippines" in the monograph, The first 75 years (1900-1983) published in 1985 for the university's diamond jubilee anniversary. A digitized copy of this book is available on the University Archives website.
3. Personally, I have access to a diploma issued by the University in 1936, and in nowhere in it does it say "American University of the Philippines".

In view of the above-mentioned, this particular part of the article as well as the article cited is erroneous. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nixenzo (talk • contribs) 14:49, 22 July 2011 (UTC)