Talk:Vyasa

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I presume that this is an aspect of Hindu mythology? --Robert Merkel 03:50, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

Yes. also Hindu belief. some people get offended when it is called mythology suggesting it may not have happened. - Hemanshu 03:53, 9 Jan 2004 (UTC)

That is true, regardless of the specific religion, but there's no other suitable term AFAICT. Does the story of Vyasa have a specific written source? If so, we could describe him it as "according to source foo, an important text of Hinduism...

Badarayana

Badarayana redirects here, but the word Badarayana does not appear anywhere in the text, and Talk:Badarayana is blank. If this is just another name for Vyasa, could someone clarify that? Also, if it's a special ceremonial name or something like that, that should also be noted in the article. Thanks. --skoosh (háblame) 04:15, 4 September 2005 (UTC)

You are right - there are some questions around whether Badarayana - author of Brahma Sutras - was the same as Veda Vyasa, who is also known as Krishna Dvaipayana.

Jaimini, author of Purva Mimansa Sutra, refers to Badarayana e.g. Mimansa Sutra 1.1.5. Jaimini was also a pupil of Veda Vyasa Krishna Dvaipayana. Badarayana also quotes Jaimini in Brahma Sutra.

It is also the contention of some scholars such as TS Narayana Sastri, in Age of Sankara, that

1. Veda Vyasa Krishna Dvaipayana was different from Badarayana, author of Brahma Sutra 2. Brahma Sutra was a work initiated by Badarayana but completed by a disciple of Badarayana 3. Adi Shankaracharya was aware of this distinction and mentions this disciple by the term Sutrakara (compiler of Sutras)

For Age of Sankara, please refer to http://www.easterntradition.org/age%20of%20sankara.html

--Ashish chandr70 (talk) 01:26, 20 July 2010 (UTC)

Arthashastra version

The Arthashastra version compares the Vrishnis' attempt on Vyasa to Vatapi's attempt on Agastya, but it should be noted that the latter was very unsuccesful and Vatapi died. The reference to "some scholars" needs citations. --Grammatical error 19:55, 17 May 2006 (UTC)

Replaced link to pirate site

The external link for "Srimad Bhagavatam (Bhagavata Purana)" led to a site that knowingly, persistently, and extensively bootlegs copyrighted artwork.

I have kept the link but changed the URL to that of the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, who provide the complete text (and who happen to be the owner of the bootlegged art).

Further information is available from the rights and permissions department of the Bhaktivedanta Book Trust, www.bbt.info.

The relevant Wikipedia policy appears in Wikipedia:Copyrights, in Section 4.3, "Linking to copyrighted works."

O Govinda 18:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

About his name 'veda vyaasa'

An excerpt from Swami Dayananda's book "Satyarth Prakash":

When Vyasa read the Vedas and taught them to others and thereby disseminated their knowledge, he was named Veda Vyasa. Now Vyasa (in Sanskrit) means the diameter (of a circle) which is a line that passes right through the center of a circle from one end to the other Vyasa was called so, because he read and mastered all the four Vedas, from the Rig Veda to the Atharva Veda, and taught them to his pupils such as Shuka and Jaimini. Vyasa was his title only. His real name was Krishna Dwipayana. --Leafy 17:32, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Date

Please include a date of Vedavyasa's existence and the approximate date when he wrote down the Vedas. Thankyou. Sanatana Dharman 22:26, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Clean up

I've started a major clean up. Among the changes I made, the following were mostly reverted the last time I made them, hence detailed reasoning.

• 1.the island being near Kalpi – if it is to be said unambiguously that it is near Kalpi, then it needs a reference. The only information in the two copies of the MB that I have, (which includes Vol. 1 of van Buitenen's detailed translation) is by implication, an association of Satyavati with the Chedi kingdom.
• 2.Dwaipayana rather than Dvaipayana – there is a distinction in English usage between v and w. This is often personal since the actual sound varies between languages of India, but the scholarly usage is to use the 'v' in such cases, especially as it is the 'v' in Sanskrit. There is no v-w distinction in Sanskrit. The most common usage is Vyasa, not Krishna Dvaipayana.
• 3.'Together these make the name Krishna-Dwaipayana. '. Superfluous and unnecessary, unless in a list of name forms.
• 4.'populous of the Kali yuga' – populous is the wrong word, this is presumably meant to mean 'populace'. Vyasa's work enabled all people to understand the Vedas, not just those of his time. Also note the lack of explanation of the yuga he was born in – reference to the dvapara yuga shortly after. The word populace has the same sense as the word 'people' but the latter is simpler and better English in this context.
• 5.'He was the editor of the Vedic literature. ' This is a very tall statement, since the Vedic literature implies much more than the Vedas. For instance, it arguably includes the Upanishads, which are a commentary on them. If it meant that he was the editor of the Vedas, that has already been said.
• 6.'Rishi (Sages)'. There is a link from Rishi, and sage is an inexact translation.

Imc 18:22, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Hello Imc - I agree with your above arguments and last edits except for the spelling of Dwaipayana with a v. Pheonetically it should really be Dwaipayan in my opinion - which is also by far the most common form of spelling on a Google search. I reverted before more because of wording than content. Thank you for coming back and changing things. Hare Krishna, Gouranga(UK) 20:10, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Google is a completely reliable method of counting those things indexed by Google. Try comparing Krishna Dwaipayan to Krishna Dwaipayana. Imc 21:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)

Since there's been no response to the above, I'll state it more clearly. The google search is irrelevant, since most of the hits are to modern people with the name Dwaipayan, the name being of Bengali and Hindi origin it would appear. Since we have a practice here in Hinduism articles of using the Sanskrit name, the hits to the Bengali/Hindi name should be ignored, which you can to some extent by carrying out the two word searches given above. As for the v / w thing, the argument I made previously still stands, it should be v for Sanskrit transliterations. It is assumed in general that it is Sanskrit for most Hinduism articles. If a Hindi name is being transliterated it should be stated. Imc 20:45, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

It seems hardly worth the debate but who pronounces Dwaipayan with a strong 'v'? It just doesn't sound right. The silent 'a' might be more correct in terms of scholarship, but what's the problem with spelling something how it should be spoken (within common sense limits)? I'd also disagree that the scholarly usage is to use 'v' in all cases, and can provide examples if required. Ys, Gouranga(UK) 20:56, 26 January 2007 (UTC)

The v/w distinction and the silent 'a' might be right for you, but neither are relevant for my mother tongue (south Indian), nor for Sanskrit. Scholarly standards are defined; they are either IAST and its predecessors for most scholarly work, or Harvard-Kyoto for ascii texts on computers. That some scholars might use other conventions is not of any real importance - each is free to invent their own convention. Imc 20:50, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Vyasa's Jaya

This section says at present that Sanjaya narrates Jaya (the story) to Dritarashtra. Is this so, or is this confusion of Jaya with Sanjaya's account of the battle of Kurukshetra? Imc 19:09, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Vyasa is a title

I have read somewhere but the reference eludes me right now that Vyasa is a title and not a name of a person. Just like the title King or emperor can be used for many, Vyasa can be too and that there have been 24 Vyasas so far. Perhaps that may make some of the discussion more understandable for other people. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.60.190.94 (talk) 22:29, 7 June 2007 (UTC).

Yeah, it makes sense Vyasa means divider, so there could have been many of them and he represents the paramount idea of a rishi, one who is knowledgeable in all teachings and actually fully experiences them!Domsta333 (talk) 13:08, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Vyasa born to?

I have heard Sage Vyasa was born to a mother who belonged to the fishermen community. Could we not add this important detail about the parents of Sage Vyasa?BalanceRestored 07:42, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

ambiguity in Vyasa birth

in vyasa's page, he is told to be born to fisher man daughter, at the same time again he is told to be born to a bramhin. fisher man and bramhin's are 2 different casts.

again in her mother's page he not mentioned under her son's list...,

please clean the article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.53.240.36 (talk) 04:37, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

vyasa's birth

It is said that his father Parashara perceived him from Satyavati without taking her maidenhood, adn that he transformed into a man as soon as he was born.

Move

I moved the page to Krishna Dvaipayana Veda Vyasa, because I thought using the full name was more appropriate.

If you disagree, please comment here.

- Agnistus (talk) 01:55, 14 July 2008 (UTC)

I disagree strongly. His name is Vyasa, and this is the name that is commonly used. Veda Vyasa is an alternate name. Krishna is another name, as is Dvaipayana, these two sometimes used in combination, and not very often. The combinations of all four is not 'the full name' - unless you can show that his mother named him that. There is no policy that sanctions this move, and there was no discussion of it. It should be moved back. Imc (talk) 09:43, 21 July 2008 (UTC) (edited)

I suggest that the article be moved back to "Vyasa", the most popular one as in Britannica, for example.[1] --Redtigerxyz (talk) 12:52, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Moved back to Vyasa. Imc (talk) 20:58, 27 July 2008 (UTC)