Talk:Édouard Manet

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New article[edit]

I have started an article about Le déjeuner sur l'herbe. I suggest we shorten the paragraph about that work in this article. - Karl Stas 15:27, 13 Sep 2004 (UTC)

I have been reading The Judgment of Paris, and I added it to the additional reading section even though it is about impressionism in general and not Manet specifically. The reason why I decided to add it is that this article is virtually without footnotes and as I read it through it seems like every single section is merely a condensed excerpt from this book. Not every Manet biography gives the same facts in the same order, so to me this indicates plagiarism. I am at work now, but this weekend I plan to go through The Judgment of Paris and add appropriate footnotes. Anyone who has added something recently from another source should double-check that that acknowledged that source appropriately. CClio333 12:16, 19 May 2006 (UTC)

Well, I added citations were I thought they were most revelant. I focused on specific insights, not generalities about Manet's life and style. However, the citation at the bottom didn't come out right - I don't know what that " a b c d " business is at the beginning. I had wanted to include the page numbers as well but couldn't figure out how to manage it. His heritage and job prospects come from page 15, the perception of Tuileries by his contemporaries as unfinished on pages 52-54, Luncheon on the Grass as a modernization of Rafael from pages 40-42, symbolism in Olympia from pages 105-107. CClio333 22:08, 20 May 2006 (UTC)

Edouard vs. Mobile Ad-hoc Networks (MANets)[edit]

The keyword Manet used to go through to the page on Mobile Ad-hoc Networks. Now while I agree Edouard did get there first a MANet is a valid computing term of increasing importance so I'm going to set up a disambiguation page. In future please don't just change a redirect, if there's more than one possible usage then do a short disambiguation page. McClade 01:09, Dec 27, 2004 (UTC)

Perhaps there should be one of those nifty notices saying "This article is about the painter. For the mobile network, please see lbablabla"? Jobjörn (talk) 13:46, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

The Gallery[edit]

The selections were very carefully chosen, many of Manet's most important works, and an essential visual component to an article about one of the most important artists of the 19th century. Modernist 15:22, 26 October 2007 (UTC)

Thank you, Modernist! I noticed the gallery immediately, since I was considering directing my beginnings students here.Profhum (talk) 08:24, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Luncheon on the grass[edit]

In the article Giorgione's influence has been cited via either the Tempest or the Pastoral Concert. I've followed another contributor's cue and supported the latter. In fact, both paintings are cited in the literature as probable influences, so we're safe with either. JNW (talk) 07:41, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

  • Looks good to me. Pastoral Concert makes more sense as a Luncheon influence anyways. --JaGa (talk) 09:30, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
    • Um, the description there is still of the Tempest, which I am putting back. The painting Pastoral Concert needs further desciption. Certainly this painting Pastoral Concert, 1508, (attributed to Titian, or Giorgione) closely resembles the Manet, and my understanding is that both works have been described and cited as precedents for Luncheon on the grass. If I have the time today I'll add the painting with description to the section. If not then tomorrow. Modernist (talk) 13:02, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
      • Good enough. Thanks, Modernist. JNW (talk) 22:11, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
  • Hmm, I just noticed January 23rd was Manet's birthday. I guess an appropriate day to edit on this page. - Modernist (talk) 00:59, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
    • I propose a glass of absinthe in his memory. JNW (talk) 04:05, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Galleries/Commons[edit]

While commons is an overall and indisciminant repository of material, a gallery that works correctly presents material in a chronological, and carefully selected manner that reads as an edited catalogue of only the most important and characteristic work. The gallery in the article is meant to present information to the reader in a clear and succinct manner. While commons is more of a larger and somewhat less discriminating storage of images. Modernist (talk) 12:58, 16 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree, although this one, with just titles, owners & dates, could add more info in the captions, & be arranged, and perhaps split into mini-galleries, to reflect the "subjects" sections - although that would lose the chronological arrangement. Johnbod (talk) 13:00, 16 April 2008 (UTC)


Is Manet an impressionist? Some say "No", some say "Yes", some add him "Impressionist painters" category... =) Please, if you are 110% sure, write whether he is or not an impressionist at the start of the article. ..Personally I think he is...  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.130.16.116 (talk) 20:47, 24 December 2008 (UTC) 

Manet was definitely not an Impressionist, despite being regarded as the father of Impressionism. The reference to Monet should read "Not to be confused with Claude Monet, *an* impressionist painter of the same era" — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.61.205.81 (talk) 03:55, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Article name[edit]

Correct French usage is not to put accents on capitals. See Pompidou Centre,[1] plus National Gallery, London.[2] I will move the article, but just checking in case anybody has good reason not to. Ty 13:28, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

It seems the accent is staying per this discussion. Ty 01:42, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

pronunciation[edit]

Does anything in the current IPA "edwaʁ manɛ" indicate stress? I understand that the 'correct' but not necessarily used-in-English pronunciation accents the first syllable of "Manet". Outriggr (talk) 02:21, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Olympia[edit]

I recall from my art history classes that some of the major controversy with the Olympia piece stemmed from him utilizing a well known prostitute as his model. It might be an interesting fact to note that many of the upper class men who would attend the salon would recognize her because they had been with her. Stylistically the article highlights Manet's tendencies to outline his figures, and touches a bit the juxtaposition of his blurry brushstrokes combined with hyper-realistic figurative portrayal, but in the Olympia piece this particular stylistic aspect caused many people to be incredibly incensed. [1] One of the reasons I adore Manet is the way he so brilliantly played with the viewer. I think the article might benefit from adding some scholarly conjecture of his attitude and approach to his painting style. Perhaps taken from his letters published as Manet By Himself ISBN: 0821218425. For example, the reason he wanted to keep exhibiting at the Salon was because he knew he could most affect Frenchmen's perceptions of classicized art from within the establishment. Which becomes very clear as you read his correspondence during the periods when his art is most incendiary.CLAvalon (talk) 18:13, 2 November 2010 (UTC)User:CLAvalon, 2:12pm 2 November, 2010

I don't think that Victorine was a prostitute, though she may be acting as one in the painting. Feel free to add sourced content, per WP:RELIABLE, at Olympia (Manet). The segment here is a more abbreviated overview. JNW (talk) 18:19, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Additions to the end of the the "Early Life" section[edit]

I think that something important to point out about Manet is how unlike most impressionist artists he preferred to work inside his studio instead of outdoors. I think this could be a nice addition after the first sentence of the last paragraph in this section; "In 1856, Manet opened his own studio". Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). http://impressionist1877.tripod.com/manet.htm

Nsnoddy (talk) 15:45, 15 August 2012 (UTC) Nsnoddy, Art History Major- Penn State 2011

Additions to the end of the the "Early Life" section[edit]

I think that something important to point out about Manet is how unlike most impressionist artists he preferred to work inside his studio instead of outdoors. I think this could be a nice addition after the first sentence of the last paragraph in this section; "In 1856, Manet opened his own studio". Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page). http://impressionist1877.tripod.com/manet.htm

Nsnoddy (talk) 15:45, 15 August 2012 (UTC) Nsnoddy, Art History Major- Penn State 2011

  1. ^ {author=PBS|http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/cultureshock/beyond/manet.html%7Cviewed=2010-11-2}