Talk:Šarplaninac

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Serbia[edit]

Per sources presented in article, and still located in this talk page, Serbia should and must be presented in this article. REÇ, do you actually have any argument you wish to discuss? --WhiteWriterspeaks 19:13, 17 January 2013 (UTC)

The name Sarplaninac is pronounced "shar-pla-nee-natz." It originates from the southwest part of Srbija (southern Kosovo) and the northwest part of Macedonia (Shar Planina, Bistra, Korab, Stogavo, Mavrovo, Jablanica and Pelister, etc.). Also, this poor site is NOT reliable source to be used, as you may see from the main page... We have relevant sources already. If you find a source that use ALBANIA as country where dog ORIGINATED, instead of "CAN BE FOUND THERE ALSO", we may speak about this more. --WhiteWriterspeaks 20:37, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
Whitewriter made this edit which removed the working source and left only a dead link, whilst deliberately removing content which had been supported by that source; but worse, the edit summary was "do not misrepresent sources". Whitewriter, do you understand that your edit was the opposite of what your edit summary said? Why do you keep on doing this?
I then reinserted the source and tried to fix the content to reflect what the source says. Whitewriter reverted again with the nonsensical edit summary "Country of origin!! Do not vandalise bob". This is frustrating; countries are discussed in the source that WhiteWriter removed, and of course it's not vandalism.
It is difficult to understand why any competent good-faith editor would behave like this. bobrayner (talk) 02:06, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Your way of talk page decorum is shameful. You misrepresented the source, which clearly DIDNT said that Albania is the country of origin. It said :" this reserved guardian exists in sustainable numbers in Albania and Macedonia". This means that it is NOT originated from there, but only exist there. Also, i didnt even saw that ref is now dead link, and you didn't even address that, in order to push your agenda about Albania. Unfortunately, it is obvious who is editor with bad faith here. "Dog Breed Info Center® is your one-stop shop for dog information." as we can see on their website, not even a legitimate reference. http://www.fci.be/ is THE ultimate source for dogs here, same as UNESCO for monuments. Why did you added Albania, as it was NEVER mention as country of origin by source presented with? --WhiteWriterspeaks 08:45, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
The article should mention that the dog lives in Kosovo and Albania. Also, it should be mentioned that the dog originates from Kosovo, which the source calls 'south west part of srbija'. Also, can you please provide me with a source which explains the country of origin, as you seem to think that the source I found is unreliable. The two sources from the article (FCI) don't have information about the article. Dirifer (talk) 17:21, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
Yes, article can and should mention where dog lives. But infobox under "Country of origin" shouldn't. Click letter S and click "Sarplaninac". Point 7. Serbia/Macedonia - Jugoslovenski Ovcarski Pas - Sarplaninac (41) (Yugoslavian Shepherd Dog-Sharplanina). Click on languages to get this info... Each source mention only Serbia and Macedonia, or Southern Yugoslavia. Also, it could not originated from Kosovo, as Kosovo was not independent in any way then... Bob, will you respond, or again abandon discussion after you fail to push your POV? --WhiteWriterspeaks 15:33, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
OK, I know the dog doesn't originate in Albania. Can you edit the page so that it includes that the dog is found in northern Albania? Regarding Kosovo, you just said that the dog originates from 'Southern Yugoslavia'. If you look carefully, Southern Yugoslavia refers to the Sharr mountains in Kosovo and north-west Macedonia. Regarding the independence of Kosovo; at that time, Serbia and Macedonia also were not independent, instead they were part of Yugoslavia. When I say that the dog also originated from Kosovo, I am not referring to the current de jure, partially recognised republic, but instead I am talking about the geographical region of Kosovo. The dog comes from the region of Kosovo and the region of Macedonia/ SR Macedonia. If sources say the dog also comes from Serbia, then it would be talking about SR Serbia. At that time, the region of Kosovo was included under SR Serbia, so I understand why you are saying the dog doesn't come from Kosovo, but instead comes from Southern Serbia; at the time, Southern Serbia and Kosovo were the same thing. I think it would be appropriate to write in this article that the dog also originates in Kosovo. Dirifer (talk) 09:18, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

I changed the article for it to include that the dog also originated from Kosovo, and continues to be found in Albania. Dirifer (talk) 10:30, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Serbian propaganda...[edit]

" BREF APERCU HISTORIQUE : Le Chien de Berger Yougoslave de Charplanina est élevé depuis les temps immémoriaux dans les régions montagneuses du Sud-Est de la Yougoslavie. Ce chien était le plus répandu dans la montagne de Charplanina, ce qui lui a valu son nom de Charplaninatz. Aujourd’hui pourtant ce chien est élevé sur le territoire entier de la Yougoslavie. Cette race est enregistrée auprès de la F.C.I. depuis 1939 sous le numéro 41 et sous le nom suivant : Ilirski Ovcar (Chien de Berger d’Illyrie). En 1957, à la demande de la Fédération Cynologique Yougoslave, l’Assemblée Générale de la F.C.I. a autorisé que le nom de « Chien de Berger d’Illyrie » soit changé en « Chien de Berger Yougoslave de Charplanina ». FCI - Chien de berger Youglosave ".

For those who don't speak french, it says that the Charplanina is used for centuries in the moutains in the south-east of Yougoslavia. Well, Yougoslavia is dead for decades now. The mountains of Shar are inhabited by Albanians, and it always been like that. They are no Macedonians, or Serbs in these moutains (see this map : https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Albanians_in_macedonia2002_03.png. Don't lie to other people, and to yourself. And yes, the original name of this breed is " Illyrian Shepard ". The serb propaganda changed the name just to pretend that these dogs are from Serbia.

Sorry for my english, i'm from Belgium,

KG.

If you want to include information about 'Serbian propaganda', you need to learn to write your info in a non-biased way, and also find reliable sources to support what you are saying. Dirifer (talk) 10:39, 23 June 2013 (UTC)

Links[edit]

There are quite a few links from the FCI which, when clicked on, seem to no longer exist or lead to nothing. For example, under the Classifications and standards section, the link called 'standard' under FCI leads to a 404. Can someone fix this link? Dirifer (talk) 18:17, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Yes check.svg Done --WhiteWriterspeaks 15:40, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I see you have fixed on link regarding the UKC, but the one for FCI under classifications and standards still gives me a 404 page. Dirifer (talk) 20:55, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
I didnt saw that one... :) Yes check.svg Done --WhiteWriterspeaks 21:59, 22 June 2013 (UTC)