Talk:ʻIolani Palace

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"The building was completed in 1882 and was outfitted with an elaborate fortress guard house called 'Iolani Barracks."

I removed the part of this sentence regarding Iolani Barracks. The barracks were completed ten years before the current Iolani Palace and weren't even originally located on the Palace grounds (it originally stood where the Hawaii State Capitol does now). Instead, I added a "See also" link to the barracks article. I left the photo of the barracks, however.

I also removed some information about Aliiolani Hale from the article, as it is already mentioned on its own page.

I corrected some information in the article too. The decision to dedicate Aliiolani Hale as a government building instead of a palace, for example, was made by Kamehameha V himself, not Kalakaua.

--Aoi 10:44, 8 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Move to proper name?[edit]

I may not fully understand the complexities of the issue, but as far as I can see, this page could be moved to its proper (UTF-8) name, just like the others? I will do that, please revert me if I was overly naïve with respect to the drama incurred by an opening quote mark. Arbor 29 June 2005 09:14 (UTC)

OK, done it. I saw that the ‘Okina page itself is doing just fine, so I assume that the current one will work as well. Arbor 29 June 2005 09:19 (UTC)

Consider adding "|Iolani Palace" as a sortkey to the category entries. I presume it should be alphabetized as if it does not have a diacritical mark. It looks a bit odd now, being at the end of category listings. For example, see Category:U.S. National Historic Landmarks. --Eoghanacht 2005 June 29 16:45 (UTC)

Actually, it would be more proper to list it by the consonant ʻ, but this is seldom if ever done. Hawaiian dictionaries just alphabetize on the vowel. Nonetheless, it is not a good idea to use the article title ʻIolani, for the reason that few if any would look for that name (Iolani, being more usual) and the representation of the ʻ has been in flux here at Wikipedia (and can be represented many ways, most not necessarily correct) - Marshman 03:02, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Kamehameha III[edit]

I read that Iolani Palace wasn't founded during the reign of Kamehameha IV but during Kamehameha III when he moved to Honolulu. He had purchased it from his niece Victoria Kamamalu's father. He named it Hale Alii meaning House of the Chiefs. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.43.99 (talk) 00:42, 20 January 2008 (UTC)

It is not an apostrophe[edit]

What is the reasoning behind the move to a mis-spelled version of the name? Where was this discussed? The ʻOkina is clearly not an apostrophe so this seems like a step backwards. The Wikipedia:PUNCT rule clearly states that:

Foreign characters that resemble apostrophes...are represented by their correct Unicode characters.

W Nowicki (talk) 17:25, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Moved back. Quick question, why is it just "Iolani Palace" in the infobox and not "ʻIolani Palace" as in the article and title? Xeworlebi (talk) 17:35, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for the quick action. Answer to your question: Because the National Register of Historic Places database was done long before Unicode, so often drops or approximates non-latin characters. Our compromise was to use the Unicode in the body, but generally keep the infobox title the same as the NRHP database. There are cases where the NRHP databases is totally different than the Wikipedia article title, so this inconsistency seems tolerable. W Nowicki (talk) 17:51, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Apologies for the move. I had no opinion on the matter, and was just acting on the move request made by Xeworlebi. Good to see it's been resolved. Cheers, Dabomb87 (talk) 21:03, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Looks like it happened again, sigh. Someone confusing the apostrophe moved it over the redirect with no discussion? W Nowicki (talk) 17:59, 7 November 2010 (UTC)

And then the NRHP infobox was changed to be inconsistent with the NRHP database (in 1966 they did not have Unicode!). Sigh. Please look at sources. W Nowicki (talk) 03:14, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Use the proper ʻokina. It is a letter. - Gilgamesh (talk) 10:50, 9 November 2010 (UTC)

Requested move[edit]

'Iolani PalaceʻIolani Palace — Improper use of apostrophe see above W Nowicki (talk) 17:57, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Reverted my move. Stop fucking obsessing.—Ryūlóng (竜龙) 19:03, 8 November 2010 (UTC)