Talk:1,4-Butanediol

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Calling it illicit is not neutral. Is it illegal? No. Do you call alcohol an illicit drug? No.

In some states in the US, possession of 1,4-butanediol is a felony. But you're right, in a sense, because simply calling it illicit is imprecise. The article should specify where it is illegal. Edgar181 18:00, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Reliable sources[edit]

I'm having a bit of concern about references such as http://leda.lycaeum.org/?ID=15209 http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=13226 with regard to WP:RS. Should such references be removed? --Rifleman 82 03:39, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

leda.lycaeum.org gives me server errors, so I can't tell. The other one is certainly not a good example of a reliable source, according to Wikipedia policies. --Itub 08:30, 3 July 2007 (UTC)

Poor sources[edit]

I have a major issue with the following two sentences and cited sources:

"Anecdotal reports indicate that 1,4-butanediol produces a strong toxic feeling not present with GHB when ingested.[7][8] These reports also indicate that it may cause damage to the liver as well as to other vital organs.[9][7]"

In two of the three anecdotal reports, the users attested to using 1,4-butanediol daily for weeks or months; one of them also admitted to heavy alcohol use on the weekends. The third anecdotal report involved using 5-MeO-DiPT and 1,4-butanediol in combination, and the negative side effects therefore may have been due to an interaction between the drugs.

68.63.209.192 (talk) 16:33, 30 December 2008 (UTC)MrSourceChecker

Genomatica Source[edit]

Hello - I work for Genomatica. I wanted to provide a few clarifying points to the entry information on Genomatica under the Synthesis section of the 1,4-Butanediol page. Genomatica named its cofounder, Christophe Schilling, as its CEO in early 2009. [1]

The company has plans to break ground on its bio-based chemical demonstration plant for BDO in 2010. [2] Initial life cycle analysis (LCA) studies based on the [Greet Model] illustrate fossil energy consumption of about 17,000 BTUs/lb of BDO which is approximately a 60% reduction compared to the traditional petrochemical process The BTUs are substantially lower if bagasse is burned for energy [3].

For more information, please visit our website at www.genomatica.com. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geno123 (talkcontribs) 02:43, 10 March 2010 (UTC)

Poor sources remain[edit]

I still have major issue with the following two statements:

Anecdotal reports indicate that 1,4-butanediol produces a strong toxic feeling not present with GHB when ingested.[13] These reports also indicate that it may cause damage to the liver as well as to other vital organs.[14]

The first report involved ingesting 1,4-butanediol together with 5-Meo-DiPT, a powerful hallucinogen. Therefore, all that report really indicates is that taking 1,4-butanediol and 5-Meo-DiPT together is not a good idea.

The second report involved a user who acknowledged taking 2-5 grams of 1,4-butanediol daily for 3 weeks. The user also acknowledged being a daily steroid user for 8 years and having had problems with his liver previously. It seems more likely that the user aggravated whatever liver problems he already had from previous drug use and/or a preexisting condition.

Here's one reliable source I was able to find on 1,4-butanediol toxicity:

http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/short/344/2/87

68.54.107.114 (talk) 15:54, 9 April 2010 (UTC)MrSourceChecker2

Dead link[edit]

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--JeffGBot (talk) 15:28, 31 May 2011 (UTC)