Talk:1947–48 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine

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Errors and POV[edit]

The Arabs started the war. This sentence is wrong: Soon after, violence broke out from both sides and became more and more prevalent.. This sentence erroneously imply that both sides, the Arabs and the Jews, are equally responsible for the war eruption. This is not true, as the Arabs started the war and continuously attacked the Jews (e.g. Blocking Jerusalem), While the Yishuv was interested to calm the situation , in order to maximize the chance of the partition.

see The Arabs started the war. some sources:

  • "For four months, under continuous Arab provocation and attack, the Yishuv had largely held itself in check, initially in the hope that the disturbances would blow over and, later, in deference to international— particularly British—sensibilities. In addition, the Haganah had lacked armed manpower beyond what was needed for defense" (Morris 2008 p. 117)
  • "The Jews accepted the partition plan; all the Arab states and the Palestinians rejected it vehemently. The Palestinians launched a campaign of violence to frustrate partition and Palestine was engulfed by a civil war in which the Jews eventually gained the upper hand… The Palestinian attack on the Jews provoked the civil war while the Arab invasion in May 1948 provoked the official war" (Ngaire Woods; Avi Shlaim (1996). Explaining International Relations Since 1945. pp. 219–236 ch. 10 )
  • "Arab leaders frankly admitting that they were the aggressors" (Edward Alexander; Paul Bogdanor, 2011, The Jewish Divide Over Israel: Accusers and Defenders. Transaction Publishers. pp. 82, 107 )
  • a U.N report to the Security Council: "Powerful Arab interests, both inside and outside Palestine, are defying the resolution of the General Assembly and are engaged in a deliberate effort to alter by force the settlement envisaged therein." (A/AC.21/9, S/676, 16 February 1948,
  • Arab leaders quotes:
  1. "Al Husseini…In March 1948 he told an interviewer in a Jaffa daily Al Sarih that the Arabs did not intend merely to prevent partition but "would continue fighting until the Zionist were Annihilated" (Morris 2008 p. 409)
  2. The Arab League general Safwat:"Despite the fact that skirmishes and battles have begun, the Jews at this stage are still trying to contain the fighting to as narrow a sphere as possible in the hope that partition will be implemented and a Jewish government formed; they hope that if the fighting remains limited, the Arabs will acquiesce in the fait accompli. This can be seen from the fact that the Jews have not so far attacked Arab villages unless the inhabitants of those villages attacked them or provoked them first." (source: General Ismail Safwat report, 23 March 1948, cited from Journal of Palestine studies, 1998, no. 3, p. 70 )

- Added by Ykantor without signature (Pluto2012 (talk) 07:29, 29 June 2014 (UTC)).

There is no error and even less pov.
This was discussed here. Pluto2012 (talk) 07:28, 29 June 2014 (UTC)
Your attitude does not suit Wikipedia's policy which say that if there is a dispute, then both views should be presented. The present article depict one side only, which is the side that try to minimize the Arabs wrong doing. Ykantor (talk) 19:12, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

The name of this article.[edit]

Why are the words "Civil War" capitalised? Zerotalk 22:48, 8 July 2014 (UTC)

I never understood the rules about the capitalisation.
Why "W" in 1948 Arab–Israeli War ?
Why "w" in 1948 Palestine war ?
Pluto2012 (talk) 05:26, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
There is a Wikipedia policy that "the initial letter of a title is almost always capitalized by default; otherwise, words are not capitalized unless they would be so in running text." I believe this means "Civil War" is incorrect. I'm not sure about "Mandatory" either, since it was not an actual name, though in that case it serves to distance the word from the more common meaning of "mandatory". The examples of "war" need to be referred to reliable sources, since the word is often regarded as part of a proper name, e.g. Second World War. Zerotalk 13:06, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
I don't know English enough to help. All I can say is that in French the rule to decide which letters are capitalised and which ones are not is difficult but very clear and without ambiguity.
In English, I noticed that the in the titles of books, all nouns and adjective first letters are capitalised. Eg, The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem Revisited.
I am sure Nishidani could help :-). Pluto2012 (talk) 20:33, 9 July 2014 (UTC)
I'm sure Nishidani could, and I think I can too. In English we capitalise every word in a name. So we have "the University of Kent" but "a university in Kent". The "Second World War" (name of the war) but "the second major twentieth century war" (description of the war). In this case, I don't think it is a recognised name of the war so it shouldn't have capital letters. Whether we have a capital for Mandatory Palestine is a question in its own right. Compare "South Africa", name of the country, with "southern Africa", region. Or the "Commonwealth of Independent States", capitals for every word of the name except "of", but "independent India", description of India. Itsmejudith (talk) 20:51, 9 July 2014 (UTC)

Merge articles?[edit]

This whole subject is a bit confusing. Could someone merge a few articles to clear up the redundant mess?

These are obviously the exact same war. There's no sane reason to have redundant articles that only increse confusion. I realize that would result in a relatively long article, but as long as the information would be in chronological order, it would be a major improvement. GMRE (talk) 16:41, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

This is not really confusing.
The 1948 Palestine war covers both periods and both other articles are detailled articles.
This is explained in the lead.
Historians divide the war into two phases:[10][11]
The 1947–48 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine (sometimes called an "intercommunal war")[12] in which the Jewish and Arab communities of Palestine, supported by the Arab Liberation Army, clashed, while the region was still fully under British rule.
The 1948 Arab–Israeli War after 15 May 1948, marking the end of the British Mandate and the birth of Israel, in which Transjordan, Egypt, Syria and Iraq intervened and sent expeditionary forces that fought the Israeli army.
Pluto2012 (talk) 16:51, 23 July 2014 (UTC)

typo error?[edit]

adopted a resolution on 29 November 1949 should be: adopted a resolution on 29 November 1947

How do buses skirmish?[edit]

This seems problematic as a matter of english usage "Arab snipers skirmished Jewish buses". I'm not sure how buses skirmish. In fact, I think it's a physical impossibility. I would suggest replacing the word skirmished with attacked, fired upon, or assaulted as likely more accurate characterizations. I don't have access to the cited source and there seems to be no online link. TMLutas (talk) 01:52, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Possible copyright problem[edit]

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