Talk:1947 Cleveland Browns season

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For the curious, the original link doesn't work any more, but the archived link does. --Batard0 (talk) 14:39, 5 July 2013 (UTC)

GA Review[edit]

This review is transcluded from Talk:1947 Cleveland Browns season/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Albacore (talk · contribs) 21:51, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

  • I'll review this shortly. Albacore (talk) 21:51, 8 August 2013 (UTC)
    • Thanks for taking a look. I'm here and ready to answer and fix any issues and concerns. --Batard0 (talk) 06:23, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Cleveland finished with a 12–1–1 win-loss-tie record win-loss-tie should have the ndsahes too.
  • Graham was named the AAFC's most valuable player after leading the league in passing yards and touchdowns, with 25. I would link touchdown and passing yards, and possibly add in the passing total.
  • Gillom could kick the ball further than most punters of his era. a specific reference here would be nice.
  • Can you link "extra point"?
  • Can you link "interception"?
    • It's linked on its first appearance (as "intercepted"), but I linked its first appearance as "interception" for the avoidance of doubt. --Batard0 (talk) 17:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Quarterback Otto Graham was replaced by Ermal Allen, who was in the game for two of the Browns' touchdowns and intercepted a pass while playing on defense. To me, this is a bit confusing. Can you link Allen, and mention the position he played on defense? To me, it makes sense to change "in the game" to "threw for" or two touchdowns, or whatever the case may be.
    • Good suggestion. Changed it to "threw for". Allen is linked earlier in the article.--Batard0 (talk) 17:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Can you link "fumble"?
  • Can you link "over on downs"?
  • You linked Sam Vacanti earlier, the last name should do here.
    • Unlinked and shortened to last name. --Batard0 (talk) 17:19, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Can you link "lateral"?
  • I'm to "Week 8: vs. San Francisco 49ers". I'll finish the review when these are responded to. Thanks, Albacore (talk) 16:00, 9 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Speedie became the league's leading receiver during the game, hauling in 10 catches for 141 yards Do you have who he surpassed?
    • Added that he passed Alyn Beals and Lavelli. I also rephrased it somewhat, because it's not 100% clear that he surpassed them in this specific game. It only says he was the league's leading receiver. --Batard0 (talk) 17:00, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Attendance was boosted by the presence of about 25,000 black fans who came to watch the Browns' three black players, Motley, Bill Willis and Horace Gillom. I'm not sure about this sentence, did the 25,000 fans come specifically to see those three players? What does the reference say?
    • The source says: "Among the crosscurrents was the presence of four outstanding black players in the game and the presence of 25,000 black fans at Yankee Stadium. Just as the presence of Willis, Motley, and Gillom on the Browns galvanized thousands of black fans in Cleveland, so the presence of exciting and talented Young on the Yankees galvanized thousands of black fans in New York. In fact, the black fans who came out to Yankees games provided the team a big boost in its attendance battle with the NFL Giants, who did not sign their first black player until 1948." It seems the source is saying they weren't really there to see the Browns' black players so much as the Yankees' one black player. I've made some adjustments in attempt to better reflect the source. --Batard0 (talk) 17:00, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Gillom's booming punts also helped the Browns stop New York's dangerous return game. Is there a citation for "booming"?
    • It's on the same page as the other stuff. I added a ref, and put in his 45-yard punting average on five punts, as reflected in the source. --Batard0 (talk) 17:00, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

I'll do copyright spotchecks after these are responded to. If there are no issues there, I will pass. Albacore (talk) 16:11, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

  • Thanks much for the thorough review – and I'm happy to make any other changes. --Batard0 (talk) 17:00, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Reference 1 checks out, stats are not copyrightable.
  • Taylor Trade Publishing has been gracious enough to provide a preview of The Best Show on Google Books.
    • Piascik 2007, p. 79: No close infractions.
    • Piascik 2007, p. 81: No close infractions, but the reference doesn't call the Yankees' offense "potent". Perhaps a reword.
      • I removed the word "potent," which I don't think is necessary anyhow. --Batard0 (talk) 05:40, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Reference 20 checks out on the duplication detector.
  • Reference 28 checks out on the duplication detector.
  • Just a final note, do the references need to have the ndash for records? If so, please add (I think they do but I'm not 100% sure). Albacore (talk) 23:07, 10 August 2013 (UTC)
    • I think they should. I had copy-pasted the titles in there, and they didn't have endashes. I guess in some sense it's wrong to change the source, but if using endashes for scores is our style, I think we have to go with it. Anyhow, I changed them. --Batard0 (talk) 05:40, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
  • Passing. Nice article. Albacore (talk) 15:17, 11 August 2013 (UTC)
    • Thanks, and thanks again for the review. --Batard0 (talk) 18:24, 11 August 2013 (UTC)