Talk:1962 United States Tri-Service aircraft designation system

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Please add a picture so this article can be B-Class Flubeca 18:34, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

What picture would be appropriate? I don't think there really is one, unless you want one of the document or some diagram. -Fnlayson (talk) 03:13, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
Jeff, what about a pic of the aircraft that illustrates the designation changes? "The F4H whas reddesignated F-4" or sometning, maybe a designation painted on an aircraft. I remeber an old pic of the USAF's first F4H trials aircrat borrowed from the Navy, with F-110 on the nose. I don't know if there's anything else out there like that, but we might find something. - BillCJ (talk) 04:07, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I was just thinking if one aircraft image gets added, folks will try to add one for most every aircraft. But your suggestion is distinct. Mention the old designations in the caption too. Good idea Bill. -Fnlayson (talk) 04:14, 27 May 2008 (UTC)
  • I had forgotten about this. Anyway we'll give that a try. I mentioned the USAF's F110 designation also. -fnlayson (talk) 19:59, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


Why is the A-12 not specifically mentioned in the Non-systematic aircraft designations section? It was not a ground attack aircraft in any way. Is the fact that it was operated by the CIA and not the USAF anything to do with it? Jason404 (talk) 00:42, 24 February 2009 (UTC)

A-12 was Lockheed's designation. It was used by the CIA, not DoD. So it does not fall under this system. -Fnlayson (talk) 00:49, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
A-12 in the sense of the Blackbird spyplane was not only used by the CIA instead of the DoD, but the design designation A-12 actually belongs to Lockheed Skunkworks. Internally the Blackbird Series of aircraft were developed from design # 12 of Kelly's Project Archangle, so the Blackbird diesign was Archangle #12 or A-12. (You can read all of this in the book Skunkworks by Ben Rich and Leo Janos —Preceding unsigned comment added by (talk) 19:21, 21 December 2010 (UTC)


I've noticed that most of the designators are broken down in bulleted list form. I'm thinking that a table would be better, as it would more clearly define the stucture, and would allow for examples to be given for each item, rather than use the awkward parentheticals in the text as it currently stands. (talk) 03:03, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

The lists are fine, no need to switch. The lists have only 2 columns of date. The Skipped numbers table is a good example of needing a table. -fnlayson (talk) 03:30, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

next Air Force One[edit]

If the next Air Force One aircraft is the Boeing 747-8, would it likely be called the VC-25B, or would they use a new number? I think I have seen when they use a newer model of an civil aircraft type already in use, they usually just add a letter to the military designation. --rogerd (talk) 21:29, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

They have used C-19 and C-33 for some 747 versions in the past. If they think the 747-8 is different enough and if enough AF people in power want it, they'll ask for the next C- number. Or not?? -Fnlayson (talk) 00:11, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Politics often plays a role in whether or not a new designation number is chosen. The F/A-18E/F Super Hornet]] is a notable example of a largely new aircraft using the older number. I'm still waiting to see if the VC-25s will be replaced any time soon, given the VH-71 fiasco. - BilCat (talk) 02:32, 11 October 2011 (UTC)
Point well taken, I think they need a new helicopter more than a new airplane. --rogerd (talk) 04:37, 12 October 2011 (UTC)

Listing of aircraft in and out of compliance with the system[edit]

We can see a list of aircraft designations that were skipped over, and many of us are familiar with some of the prominent aircraft, like F-14 Tomcat, F-15 Eagle, F-16 Falcon, and F/A-18 Hornet, but not the F-17. Yes, I can look it up and see that Northrop YF-17 fits here, and maybe such a listing is unencyclopedic. But here's an example of my idea:

12 (disambiguation) • 3...
1 (disambiguation) • 2 (disambiguation) ... 141516YF-17F/A-18F-20 ...

Just a thought. D. F. Schmidt (talk) 15:20, 7 October 2014 (UTC)